[Nadine]

@obscurerichard 193616 wrote:

I’m really excited to see such good ideas being posted. As it will fall to jrenaut and me (and maybe hozn if we are lucky) to implement any rule changes, in the absence of additional volunteers we are going to have to choose carefully what we pick.

My personal bias is to encourage camaraderie over hardcore competition and avoid rules that will drive new riders away or be hard to understand or implement. Giving the people the choice of preferring a local team is appealing. I like the idea of having a much smaller team, raising or changing the point cap for team scoring, or just making the team score based on days ridden.

I really like that last idea, btw, because it would allow a dedicated team that just rides every day to crush a team composed of elite racers and retired people who can ride hundreds of miles in a week.

If we can easily model the effect of a rule change on competitiveness it will have a better chance of becoming official.

I’m going to encourage people to continue to suggest rule ideas in this thread. I’m going to capture all of them and put them into GitHub issues here:

https://github.com/freezingsaddles/freezing-web/issues

(You can see this without a GitHub account but you can’t add an issue or comment until you have a GitHub account)

Please feel free to add new ideas directly to https://github.com/freezingsaddles/freezing-web/issues but also please mention that you have done so here in this thread and post the URL to your issue so people can review it.

Then the team setting the rules and implementing for them will organize and prioritize these on cards in the Icebox column of this Kannan board (GitHub account & freezingsaddles team membership required to see this – PM me for access please):

https://github.com/orgs/freezingsaddles/projects/1

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I just wanna cheer you on, Richard. I love your whole post – though I’m not probably computer savvy enough to make it worth getting a github account (either that or my son who works for Google has, uhm, tainted my view of myself [emoji38]. It would serve me right for teasing my mom about her American accent in Spanish for my entire childhood in PR. Her Spanish was actually good, & she didn’t need to speak it well enough to pass as a local, as I did. Her blue eyes woulda gotten in the way of that anyhow.)

Thanks for everything you’re doing for us, Richard. Breath of fresh air!

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[Nadine]

@chuxtr 193820 wrote:

Nadine,

Sorry if I was confusing. The “first list” is how many points you earn for each mile. The “second list” is just an example of the total points you would earn based on how many miles you ride. The thinking is that this system would/should incentivize people to ride because the “big” points are for early miles. In the example shown, a 10 mile ride is worth more than half the points of a 50 mile ride, 65 vs 105. So in some ways, it’s more possible to make up for a day you haven’t ridden.

But since there’s no cap, all miles count and earn points. So the Bob James’ of the world can ride to their heart’s content and still earn points for their team. But only 1 point per mile starting with mile 10.

And yes, I wouldn’t have put this out here for discussion if Richard had said it wasn’t do-able.

Cheers,
Chuck

Ooooh right – I forgot about the initial 10 pt bonus for getting out the door with the bike. Makes sense now.

I like it. We’ll see what the others say. Nice figuring out! Looking forward to it!

Now if there were just a point system for today with the gale wins … [emoji38]

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[Nadine]

I like the first list better – the increase in points in the 2nd is too steep. Also I like the idea of either no mileage cap* or a higher one, so this is nice for that.

* I like the idea of being able to make up for a day I haven’t ridden. Course that’s way less possible in this system, but it’s worth trying when there’s no mileage cap!

But is the graded points for the first 10 miles / day something Jon and Obscure Richard can do without too much trouble? If it’s just a simple program rewrite, I vote yes.

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@Brandon 193359 wrote:

I wasn’t really a fan of it. I live FAR out of DC in Vienna and am an everyday commuter for the most part. Family and kid commitments typically limit my participation on weekends for group rides and with the length of my commute, it makes any sort of coffee/happy hours difficult as well. Basically, my participation has been limited to my commute for the most part. My first year I really felt like I was able to contribute to my team with the high mileage i racked up commuting so I didn’t feel awful if I missed days on the weekend. But with a mileage cap my contribution to the team is limited, especially since I’m not able to partake in the many social aspects of the game (which was the goal I realize for the cap anyways). And I don’t care about the individual points, I’m not out to “win” anything, I just want to let some others take advantage of my high miles to the benefit of a team.

The more “local” a team is for me raises the likelihood that I could participate in some of the social activities

I like the current team sizes

Yes

I agree with all of this. I rode LESS last bafs because of the mileage team contribution cap.

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[Nadine]

@chuxtr 193354 wrote:

How soon would you start dropping riders from teams? After the first week? Two weeks? Would you drop a rider who has previously met the minimum but then doesn’t in a subsequent week?

I’d wait 2 weeks I think – because sometimes serious riders go on vacations in winter. Or are you planning to control for vacations a different way?

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[Nadine]

@jrenaut 193466 wrote:

I rode with clipless pedals today! This was a bit of a psychological hurdle to get over. Last time I wore these shoes was the day I tore it, and I remember sitting in the ER with my shoes on for a while until the foot swelled enough to hurt and I had to take the right shoe off. And for months after the surgery, my foot was too swollen to wear the bike shoes. But today I put them back on and rode and it was fine.

Next hurdle – getting back on the fixie. It’s currently geared at 46/16, which I think is a hair aggressive for my current fitness level and leg strength.

Great to see you back in the saddle and making progress, Jon!

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[Nadine]

@accordioneur 191416 wrote:

You do realize that 99% of the forum readers do not get your references, right? Though I must say, this is one of the rare circumstances in which I can claim to be part of “the 1%”

P.S. You mean Schneerson wasn’t … ?!

Lol you guys! I’m in the 1% too, and you two guys both make it fun to be here! [emoji38][emoji3][emoji2187][emoji2186][emoji3531][emoji482]

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[Nadine]

@consularrider 190163 wrote:

Who knew was one of the “kool kidz”?

I know, right? I have so never been that! [emoji38]

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[Nadine]

@Dan K 190120 wrote:

Did the a round trip through the detour yesterday and found it to be a non-event.

Westbound, offered 3 detour choices at Lee Hwy: left, right, straight. Chose straight, took the sidewalk down Fairfax, where I encountered neither a single pedestrian, nor another cyclist (this was during latter part of morning rush hour). Left on Little Falls, then a right back onto WOD. Total piece of cake, all of it less than .4 miles.

One caution: be careful when entering the intersection at the end of the sidewalk on Fairfax as you make the left onto Little Falls. Northbound cars on Little Falls who are turning right onto Fairfax will be most likely roll through (i.e., not stop) at the stop sign — and will be looking LEFT for oncoming traffic on Fairfax. They won’t see you entering the intersection from their right.

Eastbound was even better, as riding on Fairfax itself rather than the sidewalk was no problem at all. I’m not a fan of street riding, but that short stretch was truly benign.

Bottomline: IMHO, very little pain for the ultimate payoff of one less big intersection to deal with.

Now if only Arlington would pony up the bucks for a bridge over the “hell on wheels (and foot!)” that are the Custis crossings of 29N (Lynn) and 29S (Ft Myer)! Knowing that ain’t gonna happen, perhaps things will be at least a bit better when the ongoing “improvements” are complete.

Thanks for the great detour review. I’m still gonna prefer Columbia st, but it’s nice to know the detour works… I ride with Babes on Bikes, and if the people I’m riding with wanna do the detour, we’ll probably do the detour. [emoji2368]

I’m so right there with you about the intersection of doom, Dan. I really think it shouldabin prioritized over this one… I think there are complicating structural issues with that one, though.

[Nadine]

@ImaCynic 190129 wrote:

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a27289655/red-cup-project

Lol awesome! I just came here to share an article a Boston friend sent me, but ImaCynic’s is better….

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/26/cyclists-are-putting-red-cups-road-show-how-drivers-often-invade-bike-lanes/fskNwwciZ5I793zvL7hUWN/story.html?s_campaign=8315

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[Nadine]

@Steve O 189852 wrote:

For through cyclists, I suspect they will learn it’s better to go one more block south to Columbia, cross Washington at the light and take Columbia all the way to Van Buren, then left to the trail.

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I’m with Steve, dbb, Sunyata, & the rest of the Columbia detour peeps. It worked great for the other detour (when they worked on the bridge at Van Buren) which also took a long time.

And you can go right by Bikenetic if you want and stop on and say hi – and get pie if you’re so inclined.

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[Nadine]

@jrenaut 188652 wrote:

Updates – daughter had 2 root canals this morning. Apparently she was a model patient, the dentist wishes all the 8-year-olds he works on were like her. So far, so good.

I saw the ortho this morning. Unless there is something crazy in the MRI this weekend, likely to have surgery early next week. I’m encouraged by the recovery timeline – it’s faster than Dr Google lead me to believe. Assuming surgery next week, I should be able to walk with a boot the first week of April and walk normally around May 15. I don’t know if that means I can bike to Bike to Work Day, but I’m hopeful.

How’s your recovery going, Jon? And Ms, route canal?

You must be so proud of the way your daughter is handling this. You are a lucky dad…. Except heh, it’s not exactly all luck, I’d it? I’m sure you know you have something to do with why she’s that way….

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[Nadine]

Did anyone find a pretty compression sleeve st the Bier Baron Tavern @ end of FSHH? It’s Made to look like a Van Gogh painting. I’ll see if can find a picture….

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[Nadine]

@Bob James 189200 wrote:

Nadine, yes for GD and sons Birthdays and of course FSHH. Look forward to seeing you there.

That’s awesome! You do actually have a bike you keep here? Or naaaaah you’re probably driving and bringing your bike with you in the car…. Anyhow lmk if you have any time free to plan a ride while you’re here apart from the FSHH… [emoji16]

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[Nadine]

I’m in! Sorry W&W – thought I’d replied a week ago. Wouldn’t miss it! Looking forward to seeing everyone! [emoji3531]

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