[Harry Meatmotor]

I could have made a million dollars if I had just brought a pile of these and sold them at the bottom of the Starboard Scramble at BikenetiCX.

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@btj 137743 wrote:

my Haul-a-Day needs a name! Any ideas?

I-Haul-Azz

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@hozn 169449 wrote:

I’m pretty sure the KOM was motopaced.

challenge accepted.:cool:

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hmmmm. Looks like I only need to make up about 17 seconds to get the KOM. Should be easy.

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@hozn 169353 wrote:

Makes sense. These were laced to DT R460db rims with double-butted spokes, so they weren’t a super budget wheelset. Hubs were branded “Salsa”, but I’m 99% sure they’re Formula hubs.

Then those likely were “hand built”.

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@hozn 169346 wrote:

This is interesting. I assume this does *not* include Formula-hub wheelsets, then?

If it does include the Formula-hub wheelsets, then I would not consider those decently build wheels based on my 1 datapoint where spokes were not evenly tensioned [and one broke after a couple weeks of use] on OE Warbird wheels. (But the components were great so I just rebuilt the wheel.)

Hard to say if those were “hand built” – the only Quality wheels with Formula hubs showing now are fat bike/Other Brother Daryl builds. What rims did they use?

Edit: should also clarify, this statement:

“So, almost any wheelset you see on a QBP brand bike build is available through Quality Wheelhouse (“hand built”) or QBP (“machine built”) as a stand alone wheelset/wheel.”

…almost any wheelset that’s not a “pre-built” from an OEM supplier, i.e., if Salsa started putting a Mavic pre-built wheelset on their bikes, those wouldn’t be available as Quality Wheelhouse brand wheels.

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@peterw_diy 169305 wrote:

You do crack me up. For under $300 you can get hand-built wheels from Universal Cycles with Tiagra/Deore hubs, double butted DT spokes, and the ever popular and durable Velocity Dyad rims. Switch to the classic Sun CR-18 and straight gauge spokes and it’s under $200. I’ve been riding XT/Salsa Delgado Cross from them and have been very pleased – round, even, true, no touch ups needed, and they even lined up the label with the valve hole per what must be a Velominati rule. But then I don’t break stuff anywhere near as often as you.

Just a sidebar, but most of the wheelsets on Universal Cycles like the few you mentioned are actually Quality Wheelhouse builds. IOW, they’re available from any shop that uses QBP as a distributor.

and for anyone interested in more detail, several years ago, QBP started having issues spec-ing competitively priced nicer wheelsets on their house-brand bike builds (Surly, Salsa, etc). They did a small amount of hand-built wheelsets, but not enough volume to supply wheelsets on their bikes. So, they set up a state-side wheel building operation for spec on their brand builds; machine laced but human tensioned and trued. So, almost any wheelset you see on a QBP brand bike build is available through Quality Wheelhouse (“hand built”) or QBP (“machine built”) as a stand alone wheelset/wheel.

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LOL @ people who actually care about the points!

Go ride your damn bike in the cold.

Best freezing saddles commute: not a single other idiotic soul riding their bike at 6 am, 15 degrees and the howling wind. That’s better than any points.

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And if the freehub is near-death, you can get replacements for about $30.

you’d need to disassemble the hub to replace the hub body (axle vise, cone wrenches, 10mm hex), but it’s really easy to do. throw some new grease in there while you’ve got it apart and you should have no problems getting a brazillian miles out of those hubs.

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http://billmouldwheels.com/

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If Dasgeh were to state “I fully encourage folks who are unsure of their skills, abilities, and/or sense of safety, to ride a C1/C2 e-bike,” and encourage folks in the legislature to pursue a CA-style legislative agenda, rather than a “C-3/AliExpress 3000+Kw free-for-all, and sort out the ‘casualties,’ after we’ve got some self-reported data about folks riding semi-illegal contraptions,” I’d be fully on board.

Gillian does great work and I admire and thank her for her tenacity and her work so far in her position; I agree she advocates largely for the benefit of the cycling community, however, to advocate simply for increased speed as a means to ensure safety of new riders, or to merely increase ridership is negligent of the fact that riding faster no matter the infrastructure class the is not inherently safer. I’m not going to waste any time pulling numbers from survey-based research when the negative effects are intrinsic and based simply on physics. I’m begging her to be honest about the behaviors of cyclists that are “newly gifted” with extra-human abilities when mixed with the general cycling/pedestrian populace.

But, so far she’s been trying to connect personal experiences on her bike specifically to the group at-large; anecdotes with conclusions that I feel are at the least dangerous, and at most (considering her position, electively representing ALL cyclists in ArlCo), disingenuous. Increased speed capability isn’t an answer to infrastructure problems. I can’t help but be reminded of the [butchered] saying, “with great [pedaling] power comes great responsibility.”

There’s no saltiness, I assure you; merely a mild contempt for the concept that pure speed, at any cost, is somehow a right that affords increased safe ridership.

In terms of affordance, I just don’t buy it.

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@dasgeh 168285 wrote:

For example…

Is there any example other than your personal issues with the current infrastructure?

So far we’ve heard:

Heavy bikes are hard to ride up hills, therefore, Class-3 e-bike panacea.

You are entitled to travel at unsafe speeds on MUTs just like FREDs do, therefore, Class-3 e-bike panacea.

Its difficult to keep up with your racer husband, therefore, Class-3 e-bike panacea.

Riding on surface streets for some portion of your commute is the only way for you to commute by bike, therefore, Class-3 e-bike panacea.

Your friends would totes stop driving cars if they could go 25+ mph on heavy use transportation infra that’s already a mess, therefore, Class-3 e-bike panacea.

What else?

How ’bout you stop advocating for the NorthArl BMW crowd and their $5k e-bikes and instead, continue advocating for better infra?

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@dasgeh 168250 wrote:

You sound like all the naysayers who spoke against Capital Bikeshare. The evidence has not born you out here. More and more people are riding bikes, and they are not dying in droves.

CaBi is great!

Motorcycles on MUTs are not.

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@dasgeh 168230 wrote:

My argument is this: Some people will bike only if they can go the speed limits on many roads (i.e. 25 mph), which is possible with Class 3 ebikes. Class 3 ebikes should be allowed on trails FOR NOW because there are many routes that REQUIRE the use of a trail to safely get from A to B on a bike (exhibit A: how do you get to the Memorial Bridge? from anywhere in Virginia). I’m perfectly fine revisiting the policy for Class 3 ebikes after some amount of time to let the infrastructure catch up and to have more data to rely on.

I really, really don’t buy this. If you are scared of riding with 25-ish mph vehicle traffic on surface streets, you have no business mixing it up with ped grandma on a MUT at 28mph.

Your idea that turning car drivers into bike riders by adding speed to the cycling mode is flat out dangerous and negligent considering your position in the advisory community.

You still haven’t given an opinion as to why an e-bike rider I see regularly wearing a full face helmet would do so. Does he recognize that the increased speed at which he regularly travels on narrow trails requires greater protection from injury? Could one possibly assume that traveling at speeds higher than average present greater than average danger or possibly require better than average skill to avoid collisions or crashes?

Seriously, you need to drop your advocacy hat and wear a rawlsian veil for just a minute.

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@ian74 168214 wrote:

We should start a thread about e-bikes!

I was going to go with, “lets start a thread about triathletes with poor bike handling skills,” but that would’ve been too snarky.

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