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@hozn 115573 wrote:

I have been watching that getting more & more complete. Good to know it’s officially finished. (There was a bunch of concrete cutting going on this AM — not sure what’s going on there with the patio area. You sure it’s actually open? Maybe just the indoors?) Do they sell food — or can you bring your own food [e.g. from the whole foods prepared food bar]? It seems like a nice family bike ride destination. I’m anxious to learn more — but can’t stop by tonight.

Per FB, the tasting room is open, and half the patio is open. The kitchen is closed and you are welcome to bring food or have it delivered.

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@ShawnoftheDread 115066 wrote:

Just to be clear, does the next picture have to be with Greg’s family or the photographer’s own family?

I’ll also add, that if my pic gets enough likes to proceed, that I’ll suspend the new picture rule for this tag, but it has to be new to the forum.

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@ShawnoftheDread 115069 wrote:

That’s much less challenging.

But significantly less creepy for my wife.

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@ShawnoftheDread 115066 wrote:

Just to be clear, does the next picture have to be with Greg’s family or the photographer’s own family?

The photographer’s family.

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@dkel 115058 wrote:

You took that picture today?

I did not. We know how the rod picture turned out. I figured I’d join in with a photo from the recent past. Its new to the forum, but not new today. My inability to take pictures is also the reason for the double purposed pic.

*GB – I dont go to rebel coffee but I play by my own rules.

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@rcannon100 115050 wrote:

My bike with a foster* dog

* also acceptable a lost, adopted, or rescued dog.**

My bike with my adopted dog.
Also my new submission. My bike with my family.

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Question about interchangeable wheeles from my MTB to my hypothetical CX bike.

I have a MTB with disc brakes. I’m looking at a XC frame. What needs to be the same in order to swap my wheels out? I’m guessing disc size needs to be the same. I’m guessing that impacts caliper location. Does that impact disc brake mounts/frame?

If I have the best setup, what will I need to adjust when switching wheels?

If you were going to pick 1 disc size to go between MTB and CX what would it be?

Thanks

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@rcannon100 114532 wrote:

Chinese designers come up with exercise bike that washes your clothes as you pedal

Does this mean I can’t blindly hate on Zwift rides anymore because now they may actually be productive?

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@lordofthemark 114510 wrote:

Better a hypocrite who makes the world better, than a non hypocrite who makes it worse.

I think Hozn’s point is that they are not actually making it better, only not making it bad as fast.

That said, I agree (and I think Hozn does to) that (transportation) riding is good and people should not be critized for it.

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@hozn 114513 wrote:

Did the wheels come out of true!? That is not a good sign (I would have them replace them).

My experience with a Nashbar bike was that the original and replacement wheels where pretty poor. That said I got 2k miles out of them and I’m sure I was harder on them than your son will be. Ride ’em till a spoke breaks, then send them back.

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@jabberwocky 114457 wrote:

My main trail bike (Ibis Mojo HD) is about a 66º head angle. Its definitely a handful on tight, twisty trail and takes a bit of work to keep the front end down on steep climbs, but it more than makes up for it everywhere else.

Wahoo, I can keep coveting that 53cm frame with the 70.5 degree HTA and a standard 45mm rake. (Which is how this discussion relates to the thread). Now I need to find a shop carrying a similar bike so I can test ride.

With additional in put and more research, I’ll update the MTB, CX, and road HTA for a 54 frame to give a a wider spread between each; 69, 71, 73.

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@hozn 114437 wrote:

I think the geometry changes are about accommodating what “fits” around the wheels. I think the forks are all the same regardless of size, so I would expect the handling to be different as the HTA changes. (Yeah, my bikes are 59, 60cm.)

But yeah, 71, 72, 73 are reasonable mtb, cx, road angles. In my experience these handle noticeably differently when it comes to trading low-speed stability for high-speed agility.

Glad we are generally in agreement on HTAs, and I agree the forks are the same. And I guess with this I’ll say that 1 degree does make a difference, but… HTAs change with size and rake is also a factor.

Regarding changing the HTA with the bike size, the lower angles of the smaller bikes would ‘fit’ on bigger bikes. But since they are not needed to accommodate the wheels and because they result in a longer wheel base and therefore a less responsive bike the angle is increased. I think this is doconclusion the bikes performance more uniform across sizes.

In conclusion talking about HTA w/out size doesn’t convey much information and I still haven’t been talked out of the size 53 frame with a 71.5 HTA. Edit: double checked and its 70.5 sooo maybe I have been talked out of it. #thesearchcontinues

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@hozn 114435 wrote:

Maybe. I can definitely feel the difference in steering my road vs my cx bike; that is 1° difference (73.5 vs. 72.5). The rake is slightly different, though (43mm vs 45mm). And I can definitely feel the handling difference between my cx bike and slacker MTB (71°, 45mm rake). The 1° is not huge, but I think you would feel the bike behaving differently if you were able to hold all other things constant.

Ok, I think I see what’s going on. They change the HTA with the bike size. My 54 bike needs a shallower HTA than your 57(?) to give the same level of responsiveness. From my research on 54 size bikes 73 road, 72 CX and 71 MTB are reasonable HTA +/- 0.5 degrees.

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@hozn 114395 wrote:

Edit2: Depending on size, the Renegade has a 71.5º HTA, which seems a little slack if you want a quick-handling bike (good for slow speed cornering, like cross racing, maybe?). I find my 72.5º HTA on my cross bike to be great for fast road rides and still works fine for off-road too. Here’s an interesting read: http://calfeedesign.com/tech-papers/geometry-of-bike-handling/

You’ve talked about HTA before, and I’m semi in the market for a CX bike. Maybe (most likely?) I’m not understanding something, but I think you’re giving too much value to this metric. Just about all the CX bikes I look at have a HTA of 71-72. My road bike has a HTA of 73 (and I wouldn’t want it any steeper). I doubt 1 degree makes much difference, and if it does, I’d have thought rake/set-back was just as important.

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@Emm 114303 wrote:

So…do we think other manufacturers are going to join in on this? The 2013 Raleigh I just bought has disc brakes, and a quick release lever up front that works just like the ones Trek is recalling.

I’m assuming the fear is that the quick release will open and get caught in the disc resulting in a catastrophic crash.

I don’t think this type of failure is possible on all forks. No one worries about the quick release catching on spokes, so there must be some other factors in play. That said I will check my MTB this evening.

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