Freezing Saddles 2018

[hozn]

You can manually add people to your rides in Strava, but I assume that if they didn’t have an activity at the same time, Strava would not know. And you wouldn’t get credit for having ridden with them. (I assume meeting people at coffee would not count…)

[stahlkenetic]

time to saddle up and freeze the butt.

[Emm]

@hozn 168372 wrote:

You can manually add people to your rides in Strava, but I assume that if they didn’t have an activity at the same time, Strava would not know. And you wouldn’t get credit for having ridden with them. (I assume meeting people at coffee would not count…)

If you use this function, it more or less gives all your GPS data to that person and makes it look like it’s their own ride. I manually added someone last week to a ride on Strava who forgot to turn their GPS on, and it just looked like we rode together and had identical times for everything, and that we used the same GPS device if you looked closely at Strava. I can show you the two rides if you care to examine them and see what the results of sharing your ride look like.

It’s a cool function, but it could allow for some cheating in this prize category if someone REALLY tried to game the system. But I doubt that’ll be a real issue.

[cvcalhoun]

@Emm 168380 wrote:

It’s a cool function, but it could allow for some cheating in this prize category if someone REALLY tried to game the system. But I doubt that’ll be a real issue.

If you really wanted to cheat, you could drive your car a couple of hundred miles with your GPS set to register in bike mode. But I have to assume that the opportunity to win decorated paper plates and the like is not sufficient to motivate large amounts of cheating.

[Judd]

@Emm 168380 wrote:

It’s a cool function, but it could allow for some cheating in this prize category if someone REALLY tried to game the system. But I doubt that’ll be a real issue.

I swear I went on all those cow watching bike rides with Bob James.

[Judd]

@Judd 167380 wrote:

I vote same teams as last year.

I haven’t heard any objections to this, so… same teams as last year.

Seriously though, Team 10 was really awesome last year because it was a very social team. We got several group rides in and consistently had at least half of the team out for the big group events. I hope I end up on a similarly social team this year and encourage anyone who is playing to try to make it out to as many events as possible.

[hozn]

@Emm 168380 wrote:

If you use this function, it more or less gives all your GPS data to that person and makes it look like it’s their own ride. I manually added someone last week to a ride on Strava who forgot to turn their GPS on, and it just looked like we rode together and had identical times for everything, and that we used the same GPS device if you looked closely at Strava. I can show you the two rides if you care to examine them and see what the results of sharing your ride look like.

It’s a cool function, but it could allow for some cheating in this prize category if someone REALLY tried to game the system. But I doubt that’ll be a real issue.

Oh, ok. Then this feature should definitely NOT be used for freezing saddles.

In which case, I don’t know why it was suggested that meeting people could count as riding with them. I don’t know how we’d track that via Strava.

We could discard rides that were identical (and raise the issue with the team); hopefully it won’t come to that, though.

[hozn]

@cvcalhoun 168381 wrote:

If you really wanted to cheat, you could drive your car a couple of hundred miles with your GPS set to register in bike mode. But I have to assume that the opportunity to win decorated paper plates and the like is not sufficient to motivate large amounts of cheating.

The issue/question here was more to see whether that feature could allow for making your ride a “group ride”. But the answer is it cannot bull used without causing the person you add to have fictitious miles (and be effectively cheating).

[lordofthemark]

@NemaVeze 168370 wrote:

Didn’t someone point out that meeting people at the end / middle of a ride should count as “riding together,” even if you don’t actually bike … together? If we decided to count that, would Strava know it?

Bizarrely, Strava won’t record what beer I drink somewhere, if its actually a brewery and not just a bar, etc. Beerneuring still works though

The way to do something about how many different people you meet up with is with forum posts, pictures, self counting, and the honor system.

[hozn]

@lordofthemark 168393 wrote:

Bizarrely, Strava won’t record what beer I drink somewhere, if its actually a brewery and not just a bar, etc. Beerneuring still works though

The way to do something about how many different people you meet up with is with forum posts, pictures, self counting, and the honor system.

Yeah, but you’re not getting scored for the beers are you? I haven’t actually read this thread, but I thought the point was that there were extra points for riding with groups. That only works if Strava knows about it.

[lordofthemark]

@hozn 168394 wrote:

Yeah, but you’re not getting scored for the beers are you? I haven’t actually read this thread, but I thought the point was that there were extra points for riding with groups. That only works if Strava knows about it.

Sorry, I thought this was for a reindeer game, looking back I see Steve O actually proposed this as part of the main FS scoring.

[LhasaCM]

@hozn 168394 wrote:

That only works if Strava knows about it.

You have the manual add rider feature where you can duplicate your ride for someone else (if, for example, they had a GPS/phone issue and lost the ride), and there’s the automatic grouping function. From their support page (https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919497-Group-Activities) it requires a 30% match where the activities are within a few hundred meters, and the matching is asymmetric. So, for example: last Thursday Judd rode with me since for at least 30% of my ride he was only a few hundred meters ahead of me on the MBT, but I did not ride with him since my 2.3 mile ride home did not overlap with at least 30% of his 13 mile ride to Brookland.

From a programming standpoint, if this is being implemented, you’d probably want to check and correct for the asymmetry so the lower mileage rider doesn’t get more credit for group rides than the higher mileage rider where that happens, or just make it clear in the rules that to ensure proper credit, group rides should be recorded a separate activity. That way, it should work OK enough to be captured by Strava to keep things nice and tidy and keep it simpler on the backend.

[sjclaeys]

Why was the 2017 data already taken down from the website. Makes it harder to answer the question of how many miles you did.

[cvcalhoun]

@sjclaeys 168419 wrote:

Why was the 2017 data already taken down from the website. Makes it harder to answer the question of how many miles you did.

You’re aware that there is a link right there on the registration form–indeed, right in that question–to a page that shows you how many miles you did? The page is http://s94971567.onlinehome.us/2017-mileage/

The 2017 data was taken down so that they could begin the process of setting things up to collect 2018 data.

[sjclaeys]

@cvcalhoun 168420 wrote:

You’re aware that there is a link right there on the registration form–indeed, right in that question–to a page that shows you how many miles you did? The page is http://s94971567.onlinehome.us/2017-mileage/

The 2017 data was taken down so that they could begin the process of setting things up to collect 2018 data.

Obviously not. Put in “about 1500” and the confirmation email had nothing in the field. Have fun with that.

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