Four Mile Run Trail Closure Along South Glebe — Options

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    In December Dasgeh reported that Arlington County is planning to close the Four Mile Run Trail for up to a year (starting this summer, I believe) for stream restoration work. [ See this thread: http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?9638-December-2015-ABAC-Meeting

    The County staff is apparently planning to re-route cyclists across the Mt Vernon bridge to the Alexandria version of the Four Mile Run Trail as a detour. This news hit me very hard because that portion of the trail is a crucial part of my daily commute, and I am not comfortable tangling with S. Glebe Road traffic. So, I set about to see what the alternatives might be. Here is what I have discovered so far.

    Aside from the bridge itself, the detour is not bad. The Alexandria trail is mostly newly paved (albeit with an abrupt return to very worn pavement near the end going east.) It is very well lit at night and is, if anything, more flat that then the Arlington segment behind the sewage plant. It IS longer as it is not a direct line.

    Going east, once one reaches the end of the Alexandria trail, one can cross back over Four Mile Run on the sidewalk along US 1 (Jefferson Davis Highway). One will be going against auto traffic, but the sidewalk is wide so that should not be too much of a problem. For me, this will mean crossing S. Glebe again and then riding the S. Glebe Road sidewalk back up to S. Eads Street. For those wanting to continue east to the MVT, I am not sure if the county intends to close that part of the FMR trail as well… or what alternatives are suggested.

    Westbound the routine would be the same. For me it will involve a ride east on the sidewalk along S. Glebe to US 1, crossing the bridge and then west on the Alexandria FMR trail.

    There was some concern expressed about safety on the Alexandria side. I personally do not feel that unsafe there. It mostly passes through open space. There are some houses in one part in the distance but nothing is really that close to the trail. As stated, it is well lit and, if there is ample foot and cycle traffic, one should not worry too much. There may be more people hanging out in the summer, but I suspect there will be more cyclists and pedestrians too. In the winter the wide open spaces and ample lighting prevent anybody from popping out of nowhere.

    The detour will take extra time. (I estimate up to 10 more minutes for me, because of the longer course, crossing the creek twice and waiting for the stoplight at S. Glebe and US 1.) Moreover, the Mt. Vernon Avenue bridge is not equipped for bicycles. The best option is probably to use the east side so as to avoid crossing Mt. Vernon Avenue. But the narrow sidewalk is similar to crossing Four Mile Run at the Shirlington Road bridge, only longer. I foresee heavy cycle and foot traffic going both ways on a narrow bit of concrete not suitable for passing. I may end up dismounting and walking over this gap.

    If the county was serious about preserving the cycle commuting route a pedestrian/cyclist bridge parallel to the current automobile bridge would be ideal. It need not be fancy (like the one proposed downstream). A simple bridge like the ones that now cross the creek at Shirlington (near the new brewery) and at Barcoft Park would work. The land on both sides appears to already be public (owned respectively by the Arlington and Alexandria.) I suspect that there is no time to get through the wetlands permitting process or money to get this up in the appropriate timeframe. But it would eliminate a very serious situation at the current bridge.

    More in a separate posting about other alternatives.

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    @Steve O 145934 wrote:

    You know, their tongues are actually kind of rough. Not as pleasant as getting licked by hamsters.

    Wow. I guess we can add kittens to the list of things that Steve O hates. :|

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    @dasgeh 145910 wrote:

    Seriously, start a campaign. One option: wait until the detour has been in place for a week, then organize the “laps” of cyclists taking the lane on Glebe. Have an easy handout to distribute to drivers who get annoyed (I’m imagining a quarter sheet that says something like “We don’t want to ride here either” and a web site for the campaign/petition). Come with a solution in mind, and be ready to work with the County to make something happen.

    I bet October 5th at 10am would get a lot of attention.

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    #1057184
    KLizotte
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    Just want to say that the new asphalt along FMR behind MOM’s and playing fields is awesome. Smooth as butter. Alexandria also repaved and widened the trail spur by the bridge next to the auto dealership and Potomac Yard. Very nice and appreciated improvements.

    #1057200
    Steve O
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    So I tested this bypass route in the westbound direction on the way to Happy Hour tonight.
    Eads from Crystal City. Right on 31st. Left on Hill St. to get to Glebe. See map.
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    Here’s what I learned:
    – Hill St. is 1-way northbound; I rode it the wrong way to get to Glebe, but there were no cars. NBD.
    – I don’t recommend that, though, because the sight line on the curve makes it such that fast-moving cars on Glebe may come up on you trying to accelerate as they come around the curve. It’s probably better to turn down High Street, which looks like it’s more on the straightaway. I will try that another day.
    – Other than that, this works well. Taking the lane for that fairly short distance shouldn’t be a big problem.

    I went up on the sidewalk just before Arlington Mill/Mt. Vernon and crossed southbound at the crosswalk onto the sidewalk that connects directly to the trail. Today I hit the light while it was red on Glebe, so I was able to cross immediately.

    Here’s where I went onto the sidewalk. This cutout is after Joyce St and just before the intersection with Arlington Mill/Mt. Vernon, which you can see up ahead. One could also get up on the sidewalk just before this spot at Joyce St.
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    #1057227
    CaseyKane50
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    Maps of the detour have been posted on both the Arlington and Alexandria sides of Four Mile Run. They are customized to the location with a “you are here” marker.

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    bentbike33
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    @Steve O 145957 wrote:

    One could also get up on the sidewalk just before this spot at Joyce St.
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    It looks as though if one were to do so, one would have a very bad interaction with that pole that appears to be leaning over the sidewalk at a sharp angle. Or is that some sort of Google Streetview artifact?

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    @bentbike33 145988 wrote:

    It looks as though if one were to do so, one would have a very bad interaction with that pole that appears to be leaning over the sidewalk at a sharp angle. Or is that some sort of Google Streetview artifact?

    What you are seeing is this. So if one chooses to go up on the sidewalk at Joyce, there is a telephone pole narrowing the path. But the guy wire (or whatever that is called) is parallel to the sidewalk.
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    #1057313
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    As of 7:30 this morning, 4MR trail along the waste treatment plant was still open.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930AZ using Tapatalk

    #1056792
    Harry Meatmotor
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    A little late, but the section under discussion was open as of 6:10am this morning, 9/20/16.

    #1056797
    dasgeh
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    Oh, yay, in ArlNow…

    #1056799
    vern
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    The Empire State Building was built in 14 months. It blows my mind that this project is going to take a year to complete.

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    Been away for a while. So, apologies if asked and answered. Is there any update on snow removal plans for this detour?

    I don’t cycle on even freshly plowed trails (ice phobia) but plowing can cut the melt time dramatically. Since this is in Alexandria not sure if it will be plowed.

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    Harry Meatmotor
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    @dasgeh 146203 wrote:

    Oh, yay, in ArlNow…

    Oh, yay, the comments.

    Trail’s still open as of this morning, too. I’ll consider taking my detour once I start to see actual construction equipment anywhere near the site. For now, it’s just a bunch of spray paint signaling intent.

    I’m also wondering if the construction site might turn into “a brief CX course primer” if the only thing keeping me out is some yellow plastic tape.

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    CaseyKane50
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    @S. Arlington Observer 146207 wrote:

    Been away for a while. So, apologies if asked and answered. Is there any update on snow removal plans for this detour?

    I don’t cycle on even freshly plowed trails (ice phobia) but plowing can cut the melt time dramatically. Since this is in Alexandria not sure if it will be plowed.

    From Alexandria City staff.

    City staff is discussing their snow operations plan for this upcoming winter season. Ideally, the City would make Four Mile Run Park Trail and other major commuter routes a higher priority than they currently are – however, this may require additional money and resources. The City is also in discussion with Arlington County to determine if a MOU can be arranged that would send Arlington’s snow removal contractors for the Four Mile Run Trail to the City’s side for the duration of the detour.

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