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I keep forgetting to do Army Navy. Another choice (similar to Huskerdonts) would be Mt Vernon Ave to Four Mile Road to Old Dominion to Tennessee back to Glebe (where you must take the lane over the bridge, because the sidewalk is still closed) back to the 4MRT. (edit – you actually have to take Valley from Tennessee to Glebe, but you will hardly notice)

I did not do quite that last night, because I wanted to explore more of Mt Vernon Avenue for complete streets advocacy purposes. So I ended up taking West Glebe from Mt Vernon to a left on Executive (I considered making a left on to Russell, but wimped out). Not the kind of route I would usually take, but it worked.

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Sounds like a great panel. Call the moderators what you will, in a City where too many are stuck in old ways of thinking (dare I say paradigms – when I was growing up a paradigms paid your fare on the subway) we could use some different approaches.

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Or to be ecumenical, and a bit more sober

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXXuEel0fU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY6FL1S8X80

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EB Eye Street SE is now reopened between S. Cap and NJ Avenue, including the bike lane (though there were cones being put out at the corner with First Street SE, but I think that is something more temporary – like one day at most?)

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@Steve O 192925 wrote:

If we constantly accept “meh”

The origin is unknown. Some have speculated that the term’s origin is Yiddish because of its similarity to the interjection “feh”,[3] which appears in the 1936 Yiddish song Yidl Mitn Fidl. In Alexander Harkavy’s Yiddish-English-Hebrew Dictionary the word is treated as a bleating or baa sound. Hooray for Yiddish, by Leo Rosten uses the word “mnyeh”, which is speculated to be an early variant of “meh”.[3]

It appears to have become widespread after usage on the Simpsons.

Oh my, its possible https://www.strava.com/activities/2535558672

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In the 1970s, when people were complaining that there was no bike route from Brooklyn to SI, because Robert Moses built the Verrazano Narrows Bridge without bike/ped accommodations, the MTA ran some buses with the rear seats taken out to provide room for bikes. I took one of these the one and only time I biked on SI.

I assume there is probably a bus with bike racks on the front running Bklyn to SI these days?

I am glad you are exploring all over NYC. Its really a much more beautiful city than its given credit for, and some of the most amazing places are in the outer boros. And autumn is my favorite time of year in NYC.

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There are now construction related slowdowns and temporary stoppages on BOTH parallels – L Street SE, and K Street SE, between Half Street and NJ Avenue.

Best alternative is Maine to trail to the Titanic Memorial, to P Street, to 2nd SW, to R Street, to Potomac Avenue, then up around the ballpark.

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@SpaceJockey 192778 wrote:

As a counterpoint, I (eye) st se just off of South capital near the new Slipstream cafe has a treacherous bike lane that meanders from between the parking lane right in front of an apartment building to a bike/car interchange for car traffic headed to I-395S. I think the only surprise is that the majority of my close calls have been with pedestrians turning the blind corner either from or to the apartments and crossing the bike lane to their cars.

That’s been a total mess with the construction. And yeah, having a PBL for only a teeny segment is less than ideal and the driveways are not great. I don’t prefer taking the lane there though. It’s a dense place in the city, I just accept I’m going slowly there. Lately I have generally taken L or K to First to Eye, to avoid the Eye and NJ intersection, which is problematic and not because of the bike lane. The left turn from NB First to WB Eye is not great though (I do it to the PBL, but I think it would be just as hard to the general travel lane)

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@secstate 192768 wrote:

I’ve been doored once so far, and not in a bike lane but while filtering past stopped traffic in the service road alongside Virginia Ave in front of the Watergate. An Uber/Lyft passenger decided to bail out rather than wait for traffic. Fortunately I was wasn’t going terribly fast but it gave us all a good scare.

Um hmmm.

Teaching the Dutch reach is not an issue only for door zone bike lanes – there are lots of other occasions where even riders quite aware of DZ issues end up in DZ’s however briefly, and of course there are lots of newbs and less confident riders who will ride in door zones in the absence of a painted bike lane.

Of course for painted bike lanes that are alongside parked cars (some of course are on streets with no parking) in addition to education and enforcement we should improve the infra. Especially in places with high parking turnover we should look to widen the bike lanes (and I particularly like treatments I have seen in Arlington where the buffer striping is painted on the door zone side) and flipping the lanes into PBLs.

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The cookies were excellent, and the ride was fun. It was fairly warm though.

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@Judd 192647 wrote:

Chris is like a super expert at selfies…

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I resemble this remark.

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Okay haven’t posted to this thread much lately – situation in Alexandria too all around frustrating, and don’t want to take away from the rightful anger of my DC advocate friends about the pace of change in DC

But – I had the opportunity to ride the new PBLs near Audi Field the other day, and came away suitably impressed, especially with the one on 2nd Street SW. Real protection, no loss of visibility, and even what looked like a floating bus stop. The advantage of doing something in a “from scratch” neighborhood with no NIMBY’s.

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@consularrider 192604 wrote:

Much larger population than DC metro area, but numbers are still bad. I’ve only bike a couple of days here since the move, and mostly on the 1st Ave and 2nd Ave bike lanes in Manhattan. These are left side bike lanes on one way streets. !st Ave is mostly protected with parked cars, 2nd Ave is mostly unprotected. The majority of cyclist/motor vehicle conflicts I’ve seen are at intersections with left turns across the bike lanes. Many of these intersections have stop lights similar to DC’s 15th St bike lane where the cars get a separate left turn arrow, or have a flashing yellow left turn arrow and drivers in general appear to have learned to watch for cyclists before turning left.

NYC /= Manhattan (Not saying you don’t know that, just pointing out the larger NYC issues). There are plenty of awful stroads with no bike infrastructure in the outer boroughs. I think a lot of the fatals have happened in those places. I know one story we have talked about a lot in my household (the cyclist was the daughter of a prominent Reform Rabbi) happened in East Williamsburg in Brooklyn.

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@scoot 192507 wrote:

Maryland has a law requiring bike lane usage. The intersection design presented here is an excellent example of why we need to push for repeal of such laws.

It makes an exception for cyclists turning left, IIRC. It does NOT envision a protected Copenhagen left as an option. I think a decent bike lawyer could make a case that the availability of a protected Copenhagen left does not make a vehicular left illegal under that law.

I do think the Maryland should be repealed, though, and I would oppose any such law in Virginia. There are better places than this to make case why its a bad law, I think.

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