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My complete list of streets to consider:

1. Little Falls
2. McKinley/Ohio
3. Patrick Henry
4. Wilson (west of “N Arlington Mill Drive”)
5. N Park Drive
6. Lorcom
7. Military
8. Quincy
9. 7th St N
10. N Highland St (south of Key Blvd)
11. Carlin Springs
12. 5th Road South (connecting into FFX)
13. S Walter Reed, particularly up Superman Hill

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@scoot 188912 wrote:

Clarendon “Circle”:

It is unclear how much of this intersection the 2019 paving plan encompasses, but a painted bike lane through the intersection connecting eastbound Wilson into eastbound Clarendon would be really helpful. Especially for those cyclists who come from eastbound Fairfax and jump onto the sidewalk at Northside Social in order to do that awkward box turn to reach eastbound Clarendon Blvd. Eventually I hope to see a fully continuous bike lane on Wilson/Clarendon all the way from Seven Corners to Rosslyn; this would be an importance piece of that puzzle.

There’s an entire plan for Clarendon Circle!

https://projects.arlingtonva.us/projects/clarendon-circle/

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7th St North west of Pershing should have a contraflow bike lane

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I’ll start: N Quincy in front of W-L HS should have protected bike lanes

Military Road north of Lee is far too wide — narrow the road and provide good, continuous bike lanes (maybe protected – I’m actually not sure how many driveways we have there).

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@EasyRider 188408 wrote:

Yes, that is the nature of a PBL. The level of parking turnover isn’t trivial; the more turnover there is and the more the PBL is used, the more potential for collisions. How frequently pedestrians are popping out in between parked cars and crossing the PBL depends on what the neighborhood like.

In the case of Westover, the north side of the street is lined with a half-dozen businesses that people typically spend about 10 minutes in. So foot traffic and cars coming and going is pretty frequent, especially on weekends when people run errands (and ride bikes). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned they had never had trouble getting a parking space in Westover. And yet those businesses are thriving. That is because there is a lot of turnover. People are constantly taking and leaving those parking spots.

There are also a TON of parking spots in the rear.

Anyone biking on the block by the shops would be advised to go slow enough to stop and to be hyper aware — if you’re in the travel lanes, cars will be pulling out and people cross the street a fair amount; if it’s a PBL, people will be crossing it as well. I think the latter is preferable, because I rather be in a crash with a person than a car, and either way, this is going to be a block where you just gotta slow down.

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@DismalScientist 188401 wrote:

LOTM (and other): Thinking about (parking or even flexipost) PBLs on residential streets, how does one deal with such prosaic issues as trash day or bus routes? Washington Blvd is a major bus route (2) collecting residents and delivering them to the Ballston metro and back home.

Just like on Veitch, where the PBL goes in front of SFHs and townhomes and on a bus route. You have breaks in the protected-ness for bus stops, and you deal with 2 weeks of annoying while residents and trash collectors learn how to do trash pick up around a PBL.

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@DismalScientist 188400 wrote:

Nope. Based on Strava segments: (I assume you are talking eastbound, because both are downhill from Harrison west as Harrison is at the top of the hill.)

As you note, Strava is notoriously unreliable. And to clarify, I did not mean that there is no point at which Washington has a steeper grade than 16th. However, taking Washington between, say, Quincy and Sycamore, involves less climbing overall than taking 16th + lots of turns + 22nd

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Details, for those who like those kinds of things, seem to be: Sunday, April 28, 2019, maybe starting at noon? and maybe start and end at the REI at 201 M St NE, Washington, DC 20002

For those people who know people, WABA’s site could be more clear on these details.

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@huskerdont 188716 wrote:

I often ride through here, and I will continue to do so. It’s fine, but you can’t just fly through without care. Anyway, Westover is a destination, and people are going to want to ride there, so I think consideration of infrastructure is warranted. I think what tipped me over to the con side is that infrastructure here will give a false sense of safety, or perhaps give some cyclists the sense that they can move through without paying full attention and therefore they might hit a pedestrian. I could be wrong, and I’ll work with whatever is decided.

Not only is Westover a destination, Washington is a direct, easy, flatter-than-alternatives route for heading east-west. All the more reason to put the bike route there.

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@DrP 188730 wrote:

I would love to see the green paint on the next block where the cars all park to run into the ABC store and Subway.

I would recommend an email to des-teo@arlingtonva.us

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@Steve O 188659 wrote:

But wait. Say the bike rider crosses “in the lane” rather than the crosswalk, essentially where a car would be driving were this a regular X intersection instead of a T. Is the bike rider now the equivalent of a car, and thus has the ROW over cross traffic that has a red light?

I actually think this is may be a safer strategy, because out in the middle you are both more visible to everyone and have more space and time to maneuver should a driver do something stupid. Then you continue straight in the lane as you were intending to do anyway.

Safer, probably. But assuming there’s no green for someone to cross the intersection in “lanes” going on the FMR, not more legal.

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I would think the only legal vagueness would arise if you biked out of the crosswalk. I think, on the legal technicality, you should stay in the crosswalk up onto the sidewalk, then enter the street from the where the yellow triangle (arrow head) is on ChristoB50’s drawing. But the law is 100% unclear on when it’s legal to do that. Plus, that makes you much harder for turning cars to see. So practically, don’t do that. I think if you stay in the crosswalk until you’re almost to the street, then the only place where you’d be in the legal gray zone would be the last few feet of the move. (Hope that makes sense)

@Emm 188635 wrote:

Pthere’s currently a court case going on in Alexandria where a driver’s insurance company is saying since they had a green light to turn, the walk signal shouldn’t have been on, therefor it’s not the driver’s fault they hit and injured a pedestrian. The lawyer defending the injured pedestrian is a member of Alexandria’s City Council, hence me hearing about it. Needless to say it’s pretty absurd.

WHA?

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I’m very happy that they’re not two-waying Fort Myer north of Lee. That would have created a second intersection of doom.

On the issue of sidewalk-level PBLs: for riding with kids, I absolutely prefer the sidewalk-level PBLs. At driveways with street-level PBLs, it’s easy for a car to pull over blocking the lane or to suddenly pull through the PBL without slowing enough when turning. With sidewalk-level, the cars are less likely to pull up on the sidewalk level to (e.g.) let people out, and cars are more likely to slow more because drive up onto the sidewalk. Also, with more space to cross, a turning car would be less of a surprise to someone biking in a sidewalk level PBL.

Clearly, the design has to minimize pedestrian conflict. At the Wharf, the sidewalks are narrow and blocked with a bunch of stuff. I get why people walking with larger loads, or (e.g.) joggers who just want to get past everyone would take the PBL over the sidewalk. But the primary problem there (IMO) is that the sidewalk sucks. The designs for Rosslyn seem to include beautifully wide sidewalks. That would be a game changer.

I agree that any gaps in the network are problematic. The concept presented had a few (e.g. NB Meade b/n 50-off ramp & Fairfax) that could be easily addressed

Also, any plan must underscore the need for a fix for the Custis at Lynn and Lee.

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@Crickey7 188375 wrote:

So being a hothead, even if justified, is unequivocally stupid. Still, the outcome is that I’m less likely to be harassed by a cop on my regular ride home for incorrect “violations” and I got no ticket.

True, though police harassment is worse. If you have a warning, you hopefully have enough information to report the officer for this ridiculousness.

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@DismalScientist 188356 wrote:

I wasn’t going to bring this up, but if you look at the segment explore feature on Strava you will see that the grades on 16th Street are actually less than that those on Washington Blvd. As a frequent rider on both, I can confirm that, in fact 16th Street is flatter. (But, of course, one would expect 16th Street to be flatter as it is an older transportation corridor.)

Not sure where you’re looking, but I studied this very closely when I had to take a kid to Upton hill from Cherrydale with no assist. Washington Blvd is much flatter, particularly in the stretch covering Harrison and Patrick Henry (which makes sense, as you have to go up from Washington to 16th).

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As to how to get to the Hospital from Westover,

No one asked this. It was EFC.

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From EFC to Westover, I would take the WOD to the pedestrian bridge to the Custis Spurt and up McKinley. This way I avoid the hill on Wash east of Sycamore and the associated merge area caused by traffic engineers thinking that is is smart having two lanes going straight east at the light at Sycamore. (Just take a gander at their plans for the future of EFC, where they are going to eliminate the right turn lane at Sycamore when it appears that half the traffic turns right and the other half goes straight.)[/quote]
You’re route is more complicated and harder to follow, which is my point. The current route on Washington isn’t safe and comfortable, but should be made so.

@DismalScientist 188356 wrote:

W-L to Tuckahoe? W-L is basically on top of the Custis trail, which basically intersects with Sycamore just south of East Falls Church metro, one block south of Washington Blvd. So the route is Custis (to WOD) to trail to access Metro. North on Sycamore and left on 26th. Another advantage of using this over Washington Blvd is that, east of Glebe, Washington Blvd is two narrow lanes each way with absolutely no accommodations for cyclists. West of Glebe to Harrison, Wash Blvd is one lane each way with wider lanes, but no bike lane paint.[/quote]
Again, your route is hillier and longer. The current route on Washington isn’t safe and comfortable, but should be made so.

@DismalScientist 188356 wrote:

Where do the pedestrians going on the “PBLs” cited above. After all, they are actually MUPs.

Huh? PBLs are not MUPs – they are restricted to wheeled transportation (scooters etc welcome).

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