BAFS 2020 teams and rules discussion

[chuxtr]

Yeah, I know it’s still summer weather but since it’s now technically fall I thought this would be as good a time as any to open up a discussion thread so that whatever we decide to do for 2020 won’t be a last minute discussion/decision.

NOTE that this is a DISCUSSION thread, not a DECISION thread. Any and all discussion, criticism (constructive and polite), suggestions, etc. are welcome. But that doesn’t mean that just because it’s discussed that it means that’s what we’re going to do. What we end up doing will depend on a lot of different factors, including (but not necessarily limited to): willing and able volunteers, feasibility to implement, sensibility, understandability (is that even a word?), etc.

So with that in mind … Some things we’d like to hear from y’all about (but not limited to just these few things):

1. What did you think of the mileage cap (for team points, not individual points)? Scrap? Keep? Keep but up the mileage?

2. What do you think about trying to make the teams more “local,” i.e., teammates from the same area? But still trying to “balance” the teams (based on past Freezing Saddles participation) so that no one team is “stacked” with high mileage riders?

3. Conversely, we could just make team assignments totally random. I think Steve O has done some analysis to indicate that this doesn’t necessarily change the results in terms of differences between teams.

4. What do you think about smaller size teams? Last year we had 19 teams with 10 riders each. It’s been suggested that Freezing Saddles is more competitive with smaller teams because every team member’s miles (or lack thereof) count more. Is something like 6 riders too small for a team?

5. Keep the current point system? 10 points for the first ride mile of the day (as an incentive to ride) but 1 point for every mile afterwards.

Again, it’s not going to be possible to do everything (or maybe even many of the things) that people suggest. But this is your chance to discuss and make suggestions for the above or anything else.

THANX!

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[musclys]

@Steve O 194651 wrote:

It will be interesting to see how the scoring change shakes things up.

I can’t be alone in saying that, despite having read the previous 14 pages over the past two weeks, I’m a little confused. Did the Freezing Cabal decree a new scoring system, or are we still talking about hypothetical scoring changes?

If the latter, +1 meaningless vote for Subby’s idea.

[chuxtr]

@musclys 194684 wrote:

I can’t be alone in saying that, despite having read the previous 14 pages over the past two weeks, I’m a little confused. Did the Freezing Cabal decree a new scoring system, or are we still talking about hypothetical scoring changes?

If the latter, +1 meaningless vote for Subby’s idea.

New scoring system in effect per the sticky.

[jrenaut]

@musclys 194684 wrote:

I can’t be alone in saying that, despite having read the previous 14 pages over the past two weeks, I’m a little confused. Did the Freezing Cabal decree a new scoring system, or are we still talking about hypothetical scoring changes?

If the latter, +1 meaningless vote for Subby’s idea.

Yes and also yes

[musclys]

@chuxtr 194685 wrote:

New scoring system in effect per the sticky.

lol, didn’t see that the sticky was updated yesterday ¯_(ヅ)_/¯

[musclys]

@josh 194647 wrote:

People can determine how they want to distribute their riding based on whatever life constraints and desires they have. They can choose if they want to engage in the side bets and pointless prizes or not, and if they want to do social things or not. Personally, I’ll probably aim for a healthy balance across all of these.

If so, maybe you can settle the debate about how much coffee qualifies as a “healthy balance.” Somewhere between 1 and 13 cups a day?

[ShawnoftheDread]

@Sunyata 194677 wrote:

Throwing a wrench in everyone’s scoring demands… I want double points for run commuting.

#slackers

Weird flex but okay.

[cvcalhoun]

@musclys 194684 wrote:

Did the Freezing Cabal decree a new scoring system…

I have never been part of a cabal before. I’m honored!

[stephendorey]

Looking forward to a freezing January!

[rcannon100]

@josh 194647 wrote:

I’ll probably aim for a healthy balance

[Subby]

The new points system feels like it was designed by committee.

[cvcalhoun]

@Subby 194790 wrote:

The new points system feels like it was designed by committee.

It was.

[Steve O]

@Subby 194790 wrote:

The new points system feels like it was designed by committee.

It was originally Bob James’s idea. The committee merely endorsed it.

[G-Daddy]

@Steve O 194793 wrote:

It was originally Bob James’s idea. The committee merely endorsed it.

Glad for both—I like these rules.

[peterw_diy]

Sticky talks about more heavily weighting the early miles of “each ride”, not first miles each day. If I have two five mile rides on one day, is that 2×50 = 100 points, or just 10 mi / 65 points?

[chuxtr]

@peterw_diy 194798 wrote:

Sticky talks about more heavily weighting the early miles of “each ride”, not first miles each day. If I have two five mile rides on one day, is that 2×50 = 100 points, or just 10 mi / 65 points?

Your miles are cumulative for a ride day. So you would get 10 points for the ride day plus 65 points for the 10 miles (2 x 5) = 75 points total.

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