22 Mile Trail Parallel to I-66 — Helpful Video and Input Needed
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July 10, 2017 at 1:33 pm #1073123
dasgeh
ParticipantThe whole “this is a compromise” line from VDOT really irks me. As in the ideal for the trail would be just outside the soundwall, so we’ll put some inside the soundwall and it will be ok.
No. The ideal for the trail is a complete, grade separated, off road, paved trail, with widths and design adequate for usage, from the TR Bridge to Haymarket. All of this is a compromise. Inside the sound barrier is a deal breaker.
July 10, 2017 at 2:19 pm #1073127Starduster
ParticipantDasgeh, *Their* idea of a compromise is that the trail even exists. đĄ
Um, forgive the splash of anger. This won’t be the case for the entire trail. But there are sections where there *is* neighborhood opposition. Still, inside the sound wall and next to high speed traffic is a most unappetizing idea.
From the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/biking-advocates-worry-i-66-expansion-project-puts-a-bike-trail-too-close-to-traffic/2017/07/09/9e21d216-6266-11e7-84a1-a26b75ad39fe_story.html?utm_term=.c461d6e8b86f
July 10, 2017 at 2:37 pm #1073129Judd
Participant@dasgeh 162567 wrote:
The whole “this is a compromise” line from VDOT really irks me. As in the ideal for the trail would be just outside the soundwall, so we’ll put some inside the soundwall and it will be ok.
No. The ideal for the trail is a complete, grade separated, off road, paved trail, with widths and design adequate for usage, from the TR Bridge to Haymarket. All of this is a compromise. Inside the sound barrier is a deal breaker.
I have made the mistake of reading the comments section. It’s good to know that lots of people who see me on a bike wish I were dead, just for the simple fact that I am riding a bike.
July 10, 2017 at 2:49 pm #1073132Starduster
Participant@Judd 162573 wrote:
I have made the mistake of reading the comments section. It’s good to know that lots of people who see me on a bike wish I were dead, just for the simple fact that I am riding a bike.
And that, sadly, is our collective reality these days. Too many now feel they can be as nasty & ugly as they wanna be without fear of consequence.
July 10, 2017 at 6:22 pm #1073143Steve O
Participant@Judd 162573 wrote:
I have made the mistake of reading the comments section. It’s good to know that lots of people who see me on a bike wish I were dead, just for the simple fact that I am riding a bike.
When I looked at them, most of the comments that were getting “likes” were on the good guys’ side. The trolls were few and their comments not popular.
July 10, 2017 at 6:41 pm #1073144Judd
Participant@Steve O 162588 wrote:
When I looked at them, most of the comments that were getting “likes” were on the good guys’ side. The trolls were few and their comments not popular.
I wish I had facebook so I could like all of Crickey’s posts.
July 11, 2017 at 5:26 pm #1073174mstone
Participant@dasgeh 162567 wrote:
The whole “this is a compromise” line from VDOT really irks me. As in the ideal for the trail would be just outside the soundwall, so we’ll put some inside the soundwall and it will be ok.
No. The ideal for the trail is a complete, grade separated, off road, paved trail, with widths and design adequate for usage, from the TR Bridge to Haymarket. All of this is a compromise. Inside the sound barrier is a deal breaker.
Allowing pedestrians to use anything in a VDOT ROW is VDOT’s idea of a compromise. They’d much rather get rid of all crosswalks to improve their LOS numbers.
July 11, 2017 at 6:36 pm #1073175Judd
ParticipantSo it’s illegal, but I’m thinking of doing a Bobco style, “Let’s ride the future I-66 Trail” bike ride.
July 11, 2017 at 6:53 pm #1073179bentbike33
Participant@Judd 162623 wrote:
So it’s illegal, but I’m thinking of doing a Bobco style, “Let’s ride the future I-66 Trail” bike ride.
And it should be a Midnight Saddles ride.
July 12, 2017 at 10:22 am #1073206mstone
Participant@Judd 162623 wrote:
So it’s illegal, but I’m thinking of doing a Bobco style, “Let’s ride the future I-66 Trail” bike ride.
There are less painful ways to kill yourself.
July 12, 2017 at 2:10 pm #1073219AFHokie
Participant@mstone 162655 wrote:
There are less painful ways to kill yourself.
But are they as fun and exciting?
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July 13, 2017 at 12:17 pm #1073285Steve O
ParticipantLetter in the Post today
Regarding the July 10 Metro article âBiking advocates worry trail too close to trafficâ:
My 2-year-old son took some of his first steps on the path behind my townhome, under the canopy of trees that surround my yard. We will lose this wooded space in the Interstate 66 expansion. I hope the cyclists will appreciate their new bike lane and not push to have one that further disrupts my home and my neighborsâ right to peace, quiet and privacy.
This is a wonderful neighborhood for children to grow up in. Letâs keep it that way.
Jackie Tortora, ViennaI put this in the on-line comments:
Ms. Tortora – The people who ride bikes and walk, and your neighbors and friends who might use this trail, are not asking for any additional trees or anything else to be destroyed. The total enormous width of I-66 will not change. No additional trees or space will be appropriated. All these people are asking is that the sound wall be moved a little farther away from your house and the trail placed on the side of the wall where you and your neighbors and children and dogs can use it. Perhaps the people who may someday buy your house will use this new trail to take their young child out for a walk, something that is unimaginable if the trail were inside the sound wall adjacent to 10 lanes of highway traffic.
July 13, 2017 at 12:29 pm #1073287AFHokie
Participant@Steve O 162737 wrote:
Letter in the Post today
Ms. Tortora’s letter leads me to believe the path her son learned to walk on is the current multi-use trail; which she will lose if the sound wall is installed as currently designed
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July 13, 2017 at 4:22 pm #1073302mstone
ParticipantIt’s pretty hard (impossible?) to overcome the cognitive dissonance that focuses on the noise and disruption of pedestrians and cyclists on a MUP and completely disregards the cars on the roads on both sides of the house–because the cars are “normal” and the pedestrians and cyclists are “not normal”. If a sensible trail is installed on the correct side of the sound wall, it will become normal and thus a dead issue. The only way forward has nothing to do with convincing the residents that opposing a trail as a nuisance is silly, and everything to do with convincing the politicians that the level of constituent annoyance over the stupid trail design exceeds the level of annoyance from fixing it.
But reading the tea leaves, I’d say VDOT doesn’t care, and we’re going to get a crappy trail. Don’t want to hold up progress.
August 17, 2017 at 1:34 pm #1074729huskerdont
ParticipantOn the home page of the Washington Post, with some politicians objecting to the plan as currently designed.
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