"Stop" Signs on Trails

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  • #1048649
    invisiblehand
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    @S. Arlington Observer 135912 wrote:

    If the parks department thinks the signs increase safety it is very wrong. They aren’t legally enforceable and yet appear to declare legal rights. They encourage motorists to be aggressive. They should be removed.

    Totally agree with this. There is no need for “fake” signs giving priority to street traffic.

    #1048652
    Emm
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    I agree with all of your points–this is really concerning and worth having community members send a note to the parks department to ask them to remove the signs. I detest unenforceable signs.

    An additional concern is that people may be ticketed for not stopping at the “not enforceable” signs, since individual ACPD officers don’t always know which signs are, and aren’t enforceable. I’m sure you could get the ticket thrown out in court, but it could also impact the police report after an accident at the intersection. I have heard it can be really hard if not impossible to get the fault changed after accidents if the police report isn’t correct.

    #1048655
    scoot
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    A private driveway should never have right-of-way over a public trail. The stop sign should definitely be removed. If a lot of drivers are not yielding here, it should be replaced with a “Yield to Trail Users” sign facing the driveway.

    #1048658
    Lt. Dan
    Participant

    It would be terrific is someone turned those signs 90 degrees so they faced drivers…

    #1048659
    bobco85
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    The stop signs should be taken down, but there is another issue going on here that is important to consider and is likely the problem behind the symptom: visibility.

    The crossings on Lucky Run Trail (2 in total) and Bluemont Junction Trail (3 in total not including Wilson Blvd/GMDrive) are at best partially obscured by foliage/telephone poles/fences/parked cars/other objects or non-perpendicular angles. These make it harder for a driver to see a cyclist moving into the crosswalk and for a cyclist looking for drivers as they approach. The Lucky Run Trail crossings are made more difficult because there is another crosswalk about 15-20 feet away at the stoplight at Walter Reed Dr, so drivers passing the first crosswalk then have to watch for another one. I can see how drivers would want to put stop signs up to make everyone else wait, even though it would be easier to just *gasp* drive slower to improve the situation.

    Putting up stop signs that have no force of law, confusing trail users (who has right of way?), and giving drivers the impression that they do not need to obey the VA law to yield to people in a crosswalk is not the way to go.

    My solution? Remove the stop signs. Clear obstructions to provide better sightlines where possible. Add crosswalk signs for drivers. Add “Slow – Road Crossing” signs for trail-users.

    #1048662
    DismalScientist
    Participant

    Maybe they should post signs reflecting the law:

    DO NOT ENTER CROSSWALK WITHOUT DUE REGARD FOR TRAFFIC.

    #1048664
    dasgeh
    Participant

    If someone wanted to do some research, and write something up, I bet the BAC would be amenable to a motion advising the County Manager to (1) take down these signs and (2) make sure the process of putting up traffic control signs in the future is clear, transparent, and takes into account the safety and best interests of the entire community.

    #1048668
    Steve O
    Participant

    @DismalScientist 135935 wrote:

    Maybe they should post signs reflecting the law:

    DO NOT ENTER CROSSWALK WITHOUT DUE REGARD FOR TRAFFIC.

    And “CARS MUST YIELD TO PERSONS IN CROSSWALK”

    #1048676
    Judd
    Participant

    New law: everybody stop at intersections and awkwardly stare at each other until someone goes.

    #1048692
    annoyedindc
    Participant

    @Steve O 135941 wrote:

    And “CARS MUST YIELD TO PERSONS IN CROSSWALK”

    Did cyclists get updated to personhood status? I thought that was reserved for corporations.

    The two laws do seem at odds with each other though.

    #1048712
    Steve O
    Participant

    I received an email from Arlington Parks today informing me that the stop signs have been removed from this location.

    #1048716
    ShawnoftheDread
    Participant

    Did you ask them to head on over to the Marriot?

    #1048864
    baiskeli
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    @annoyedindc 135970 wrote:

    Did cyclists get updated to personhood status? I thought that was reserved for corporations.

    Well, cyclists are people too. But to answer your question, the law states elsewhere that bicyclists have the rights and duties of pedestrians when using crosswalks, and they don’t need to dismount either.

    #1048865
    baiskeli
    Participant

    @Steve O 135988 wrote:

    I received an email from Arlington Parks today informing me that the stop signs have been removed from this location.

    Bluemont too?

    #1048866
    DismalScientist
    Participant

    As someone who bikes and drives through the intersection of the Bluemont Trail and Kensington St, I must say it sucks for everybody. Bicycle traffic probably should slow down almost to a complete stop given the atrocious sightlines regardless of whether there is a stop sign.

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