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Alright, I final found this thread!!! Strava group joined.

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Planning to attend.

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The Challenge Strada Bianca’s are 700 X 30. I have a used black set and a new in box gumwall set I might be willing to sell if interested.

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@Tania 134233 wrote:

I am forced to resume my search. I went with Clement USH 35’s as my go-to commuter tire and I LOVE it…except my fancy new wheels have 25mm/28mm rims (ailerons) and they make the tires too tall to fit with my front fender. The same exact tires fit with the stock rims. 😡

Blargh. So looking for more file tread type tire recommendations. I’d love it if the Clement LAS type tires would fit, but they’re 33 so maybe a 28 Strada LGG – they’re not file tread but they’re supposed to be good in wet conditions. I don’t seem to be affected by rolling resistance: I pr’ed my time up a hill while riding low pressure Xerxes studs the other day.

I just mounted by some 700 X 33 Soma Supple Vitesse SL’s on my cross bike. Also running Jack Brown Blue Label on my Salsa Vaya. Both are file tread. Haven’t ridden the Soma’s yet but the Jack Browns are nice. I have also had good luck with Challenge Strada Bianca’s. Tough to mount the first time but fast and supple. Check those 3 tires out.

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Can’t say enough good things about the Clement USH. I am on my 2nd set of these 700 x 35 tires on my Vaya. Rode the GAP/C&O with 50 lbs. on them. Commute every day. Had a few flats but overall very reliable. The center section makes the tire fast on pavement while the side knobs do good work on gravel. Can’t be recommended enough.

Also, I have switched to the Jack Brown Blue Labels on my cross bike for the moment. Love those as a multi-surface tires as well. This version is lined in kevlar so they are not particularly light but not terrible. They ride nicely and are damn near bulletproof.

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@Brünø Moore 128994 wrote:

I’d also argue that the touring brother of the Private Jake would be the Sutra LTD, which has the 36/10-42 Rival 1 drivetrain kinda like the PJ. If you’re looking into touring 1x—and yes, there’s quite a bit of discussion of it in bikepacking circles, though mostly of the “can we pull it off yet?” variety—that’s a good place to start.

Yes, this is basically what I am doing with the my Vaya but I think I am going to use a 34T chainring. Already have the 10-42, SRAM Force1 long cage derailleur and shifters. Also, got a crazy good price on a SRAM XX1 crank (didn’t need it but it knocks off 400 grams of weight.) Still need to order a White Industries driver and select a SRAM direct mount chainring and ratio. Probably have the swap in January or February after a finish grinding dirt and salt through the current drivetrain over the winter.

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Interesting — so SRAM 11sp road interchanges with mtb parts? I thought that was limited to 10sp, but am happy to learn otherwise.

Nope, you were right. SRAM changed that with 11 speed groups. Looks like I need to use a Rival 1 or Force 1 long cage derailleur.

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Interesting — so SRAM 11sp road interchanges with mtb parts? I thought that was limited to 10sp, but am happy to learn otherwise.

Hmmmmm…..I may need to dig a little deeper into that one.

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I settled on the SRAM 10-42 cassette. At this point, I am deciding on the front chain ring ratio. At the moment, I am leaning towards a 34 tooth ring. This nearly matches my current range but with a little less top end. If I plan on taking a heavier loaded long tour especially in hilly terrain I can always just switch to a 32 tooth ring to move toward the low end. At 80 RPM, I will be moving at 22 MPH and give me 22.0 gear inches in low. I think that is enough for this bike. The 32 ring would change it to 20.7 gear inches.

I also got a red hot smoking deal on a set of SRAM Force1 shifters so I will be moving away from my Paul mounted barcons. This will be a mashup of SRAM road shifters with mountain parts. Thanks SRAM for allowing these parts to play nice.

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An update: I have jumped in and started ordering parts for a 1×11 setup. I plan to reuse my crank and convert it with a Wolf Tooth ring. I also got a great deal on a set of SRAM Force1 shifters and couldn’t resist. Need to order an driver for my White Industries hub and choose a front ratio for the chainring. I am pretty excited.

Thanks for everyones help

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@ginacico 128257 wrote:

Just interjecting some Vaya solidarity, bluerider. Mine has an Ultegra triple, which was stock for the 2014 Vaya Travel. Occasionally I’ve wished for a granny gear, when we’re loaded down for touring and climbing some unexpected hill, and I’ve not had chain drop issues at all. I haven’t really thought to change anything.

Adventure Cycling had a good article which might provide some info: The Drivetrain Dilemma.

Sorry I’m not much help with your question about the 1×10 setup. It’s an intriguing idea, and I’ll be curious what you decide.

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Thanks for that article. That is some of the best information I have been looking for in terms of 1x for touring and gearing. By the way, I think I have seen you out on the WO&D on your Vaya. The gear inches Co-Motion tries to achieve is helpful. Oddly enough, what they recommend (42/28 crank) and 12-36 cassette is what I am using now.

I am glad the triple works for you. I didn’t want to triple simply because the gearing doesn’t really work for this bike but evidently works for you.

Thanks for the help.

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@hozn 128235 wrote:

I switched my commuter to 1×10, using an X9 RD, a 11-36t cassette and a 46t X-SYNC ring up front. This yields slightly more range than an 11-28 with a 36/46 setup.

I am very happy with this setup.

The narrow-wide ring is the way to go. The SRAM (x-sync) rings shift the chainline inboard a bit, which makes for less extreme angles in the big cogs.

Going [SRAM] 10sp let me just mix road and mtb components. I am using an Apex shifter and a S500 brake lever (basically Apex with the paddle removed). And the X9 type 2 (clutch) RD really is quite nice.

Only downside is that the X9 doesn’t have a barrel adjuster on it, so had to add an inline adjuster. Also I do notice the gaps; the 11-36 smaller cogs have 2-tooth increments and there are one or two cogs that I wish I had. An 11s might help, but would introduce way more complexity and cost.

I love not having the FD and love not dropping my chain when riding singletrack.

Hozn, do you use this bike loaded? Interesting to note, I already own a pair of 10 speed Apex shifters and a pair of S500s currently on the Vaya.

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@DismalScientist 128250 wrote:

On your current setup, your high gear (42-12) has a ratio 4.5 times your low gear (28-36). To get an equivalent range, you would need a 10-45 cassette in back with only one chain ring.

Interesting….thanks a lot. So if I went from a 42 tooth ring (my current big ring) down to a 34 or 36 tooth single ring with a 10-42 cassette I might be in the ballpark. Granted I would sacrifice some top-end speed for additional low-end grunt.

Again, the gaps between each cogs will really tell the tale here. I so like the idea of simplification on this bike.

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Thanks everyone. I know everything will technically work. It’s just hard to find information from anyone who has done this on a touring bike carrying 30 or so lbs. Tons of info on cross bikes, mountain bike, and road bikes. But I haven’t seen anyone do this on a touring bike which regularly carries loads. I just have to wonder how it would work. I don’t use the 28 tooth small ring on the crank much but when I need it….I REALLY NEED IT. I think my best course of action will be to use the gearing calculator and dug in. My guess is that achieving a similar range will be easy, it will be the jumps between gears will be of concern especially when loaded.

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Thanks everyone. Still not particularly close to making a decision about this. Need to play around with Sheldon Brown’s gear calculator.

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