what to do about aggressive vehicle passes

[lordofthemark]

@elbows 128436 wrote:

Each year, I get a little angrier about the following scenario which has happened to me many times on roads like Columbia Pike. I’m riding on the right side of the lane. I guess I could take the lane, but I’m usually going enough slower than cars and there is enough traffic that I don’t like to do that.

I am not judging how you ride, just answering, but I do not do the above. If I am not comfortable taking the lane (with occasional releases, but sounds like that is not a safe strategy on Col Pike) I do not ride in a standard width lane. Period. I will take a sidewalk in preference if no other route is available (I realize the level of pedestrian traffic makes that difficult as well, on Col Pike)

I still get nasty passes from time to time though. I do not know what to do. I think this is one benefit of striped bike lanes, as they are probably at least in theory easier to enforce than the 3 ft rule. The state and localities can do more in terms of education (maryland has a campaign including billboards, swag, etc on the 3 ft theme – I have yet to see that in Va) You could also use a camera – while the police may not enforce the 3 ft rule anyway, it would help in a civil suit.

[dasgeh]

Two things: 1) ACPD has told the ABAC that they have issued citations for violations of the 3-foot rule. I don’t know the details.

2) Personally, I want you to call it in. I call egregious behavior in. I talk to the Police about this often. I often get the impression that the police think I’m the only one complaining. I’m pretty sure that’s not true, but the more voices we have calling the non-emergency number, and tweeting about the issues (twitter is better, because then I can point to it), the better.

[dplasters]

Two things here:

Reporting – I’d go with dasgeh’s advice and also add that a recording device of some kind could help, but only at the margin.

Avoiding – Adding to lotm. I ride on Lee Highway in Fairfax. It is 4-6 lanes with a speed limit of 40mph. I ride on it for one mile. There are five stop lights in that one mile. I would not really ride on it otherwise. I ALWAYS take the lane. Your life isn’t worth their convenience. This video (skipping to 3:30 for the action) is a quick example of how drivers react differently just between lane control and right tire track on roads like that.

If you aren’t comfortable taking the lane, I’d encourage sidewalk riding only where you don’t feel comfortable taking the full lane.

As with almost all cycling issues, its very scenario specific. I don’t know where on Columbia Pike you are or what traffic is like there. Just my general thoughts on lane sharing on high speed roads. Namely, I don’t share them.

Ahhhh video inserted as more than just a link… do not like!!

[KLizotte]

That’s an awesome video dplasters. Thanks to the folks who put it together and the brave cyclist.

I think the cyclist in the video should have been using a bright flashy light along with the reflective vest given the overcast conditions. He wasn’t super easy to see.

[FFX_Hinterlands]

This is a fantastic discussion. Summary: If you ride to the right of a lane that is not wide enough to share, drivers may want to squeeze in and pass you closely. If the lane is not wide enough to share, you should take the lane. Cars will either wait until it’s safe to pass or change lanes (if more than one lane). Personally I don’t take the lane if the speed limit is more than 35 MPH, but that’s my personal preference. I also don’t ride without lights on the road in overcast conditions and I always have something bright like on my bike or person. All black kits may look cool but they make you hard to see all of the time.

[DismalScientist]

What I saw in the video is that the drivers gave similar space to the cyclist whether he was fully taking the lane or on the right tire track. What were cited as “lane splits” to me did not look like dangerous passes, but merely the driver did not need to fully go over to the other lane to pass safely. I don’t think these lane splits are illegal. In terms of visibility, that was merely a function of whether the car was in the lane behind the cyclist when the camera car came up. That seems to be a function of when the driver started his pass, which depends not only on the rider position, but more importantly, on the position of other cars in the middle lane. The video complains of a motorcyclist that shares the lane as he passes the cyclist who was in the right tire track. If sufficient distance is given, that is not illegal. I also note that none of the drivers seemed to signal their intentions to switch lanes.

[dplasters]

@DismalScientist 128464 wrote:

I don’t think these lane splits are illegal.

A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle.

I appreciate you might think it fine safety wise, but it is not legal in Virginia. Foot in mouth, preserved on the internet for my humility.

this section shall not apply to (ii) a motor vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, electric power-assisted bicycle, or moped; nor shall it apply to

– side gripe – so they can lane split cyclists, but cyclist can’t lane split cars

A person riding a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, electric power-assisted bicycle, motorized skateboard or foot-scooter, or moped shall not travel between two lanes of traffic moving in the same direction, except where one lane is a separate turn lane or a mandatory turn lane.

To the larger point – they aren’t measuring, so it is hard to tell in which method you get more distance. My personal experience is I’ve only ever been passed too closely and/or hit when riding right tire. When taking the full lane, my rides are much more pleasant. Its not typically cars that are my issue. Its the metro bus and garbage truck that decide they can also pass in lane. If you force them to change lane, they typically actually change lane. If you give them wiggle room, they try to squeeze.

[DismalScientist]

I find if I ride in the right tire track, I don’t get squeezed. Farther to the right is a problem. I ride farther to the left as my speed relative to other traffic increases. I didn’t see the speed limit on that road in the video, but it looks like it was designed to be fairly fast and without a shoulder, sufficient that I would likely seek other routing.

On cyclists lane splitting cars, I think the key word in the law is “moving.” I think filtering between stopped cars may be legal. I don’t think I want to lane split between moving cars.

On a related note, I believe the law has changed regarding cars passing bikes across a (double) yellow line. Cyclists can now be treated like slow-moving farm equipment. Personally, I worry about drivers who want to go all the way over to the other lane while passing, as I just want adequate space when passed. I sense, but do not know, that such drivers (those that want all four wheels on the other side of the double yellow) get frustrated as they see few passing opportunities.

[GovernorSilver]

I’m not a lawyer, but this is what the VDOT site says:

http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Where

Bicyclists must not ride between two lanes of traffic moving in the same direction unless one lane is a separate or mandatory turn lane.

This seems to imply lane splitting between moving traffic is legal if one of the lanes is a turn lane. I wouldn’t mind being corrected though.

http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Passing

Bicyclists may overtake and pass another vehicle only when safe to do so. Bicyclists may pass another vehicle on the right or left, and they may stay in the same lane, change lanes, or ride off the road if necessary for safe passing.

This part seems to imply filtering is ok, though there’s some debate on whether passing between stopped cars is safe. Dooring is frequently cited as a hazard in this scenario, although I’ve only seen people open their car doors in stopped traffic when everyone is convinced traffic is not going to move for an hour or more (eg. a major traffic blockage like an accident blocking all lanes, or spilled jet fuel).

[consularrider]

But using plain English, those two provisions appear to be contradictory.

[consularrider]

@GovernorSilver 128476 wrote:

I’m not a lawyer, but this is what the VDOT site says:

http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Where

Bicyclists must not ride between two lanes of traffic moving in the same direction unless one lane is a separate or mandatory turn lane.

This seems to imply lane splitting between moving traffic is legal if one of the lanes is a turn lane. I wouldn’t mind being corrected though.

http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Passing

Bicyclists may overtake and pass another vehicle only when safe to do so. Bicyclists may pass another vehicle on the right or left, and they may stay in the same lane, change lanes, or ride off the road if necessary for safe passing.

This part seems to imply filtering is ok, though there’s some debate on whether passing between stopped cars is safe. Dooring is frequently cited as a hazard in this scenario, although I’ve only seen people open their car doors in stopped traffic when everyone is convinced traffic is not going to move for an hour or more (eg. a major traffic blockage like an accident blocking all lanes, or spilled jet fuel).

But using plain English, those two provisions appear to be contradictory. Are they trying to say a bicyclist may only pass in the same lane if there is only one lane in that direction or that it is next to a turn lane?

[SolarBikeCar]

@dplasters 128467 wrote:

– side gripe – so they can lane split cyclists, but cyclist can’t lane split cars

My complaint is people who quote the law and then interpret it incorrectly because they skip/ignore key words like “motor vehicle”. A bicycle is not a motor vehicle.

[dplasters]

@SolarBikeCar 128482 wrote:

My complaint is people who quote the law and then interpret it incorrectly because they skip/ignore key words like “motor vehicle”. A bicycle is not a motor vehicle.

I’m not aware of when I conflated a cyclist and a motor vehicle. Or perhaps you are discussing something else?

[SolarBikeCar]

My plain reading of the law is that legislators want cyclists to stay right and let faster traffic pass. If the cyclist is passing stopped or slow traffic he should pass on the right using the shoulder if needed. If the cyclist is faster than moving traffic they should pass on the left if there are multi-lanes and the passing lane is free of other vehicles. What is not permitted is for cyclists to slip down between two lanes of traffic going in the same direction by riding the dashed yellow line (or worse the center line between lanes going in opposite directions.) Cars don’t expect that and it is dangerous. The exception is when the right lane is a turn lane. It is dangerous for a cyclists to stay right only to get to the intersection and then need to suddenly switch lanes to be able to travel straight through. So if a cyclist is coming to an intersection with traffic waiting to turn right and another lane to go straight, a cyclist is permitted to drive between those two lines passing between traffic in the process. The VDOT cycling pamphlet explains this with pictures.

[GovernorSilver]

@consularrider 128481 wrote:

But using plain English, those two provisions appear to be contradictory. Are they trying to say a bicyclist may only pass in the same lane if there is only one lane in that direction or that it is next to a turn lane?

As DS pointed out, the key word seems to be “moving”.

Bicyclists cannot legally pass between moving cars in VA, unless one of the lanes is a turn lane.

They can legally pass between stopped cars (filtering).

I’ve been known to misread/misinterpret stuff though. One of the reasons I filter very selectively is I don’t want to be caught between cars when they start to move (when filtering becomes lane-splitting).

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