Washington Boulevard Trail under attack.
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September 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm #1010633
Steve
Participant@Starduster 95324 wrote:
All the more reason to be *visible and audible* at the Board meeting when the construction contract comes up. Let us all know when, please…
Completely agree. And also before the meetings, as I think their mind is made up fairly often before the meeting. Anyways, I sent my email. Thanks for staying on top of this, Chris.
September 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm #1010635baiskeli
Participant@Steve 95320 wrote:
The notion that we shouldn’t create a bike trail because of environmental concerns is…..well……..(deep breaths).
This is one of those times when two environmental concerns come into conflict. It happens sometimes. I’m sure the other side is saying something like “The notion that we should cut down trees to build a bike trail to help the environment is…well….”
September 25, 2014 at 1:07 pm #1010636mstone
Participant@baiskeli 95327 wrote:
This is one of those times when two environmental concerns come into conflict. It happens sometimes. I’m sure the other side is saying something like “The notion that we should cut down trees to build a bike trail to help the environment is…well….”
Loss of mature trees is a real issue, and not something that’s quickly or easily fixed. That said, the real fix is to take the space out of the car lanes, but we can’t have that.
September 25, 2014 at 1:46 pm #1010642dasgeh
Participant@baiskeli 95327 wrote:
This is one of those times when two environmental concerns come into conflict. It happens sometimes. I’m sure the other side is saying something like “The notion that we should cut down trees to build a bike trail to help the environment is…well….”
Maybe, except: (1) most of the trees in question are invasive and not the kind of mature trees that really need preserving in this area; and (2) the bike trail is about much, much more than environmentalism. ACE seems to be awful close to saying “these trees are more important than cyclists’ lives” which is ridiculous.
September 25, 2014 at 1:58 pm #1010645UnknownCyclist
ParticipantSeptember 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm #1010653chris_s
Participant@dasgeh 95334 wrote:
ACE seems to be awful close to saying “these trees are more important than cyclists’ lives” which is ridiculous.
ACE (Arlingtonians for a Clean Environment) has nothing to do with this. The people who showed up may or may not be ACE members, but they showed up as individual residents.
September 25, 2014 at 2:40 pm #1010655chris_s
ParticipantSome talking points you should feel free to co-opt:
The trail is an important connection.
It connects to Phase I of the trail which connects directly to the Arlington Blvd Trail which has recently been improved allowing for a safe, enjoyable connection all up and down the Route 50 corridor. It also connects to the little-utilized Fillmore Park trail which provides a lovely walk or ride into the heart of Lyon Park. When the Army-Navy Country Club Connection (aka the Hoffman Boston Connector) gets built, this trail will connect nicely to it via neighborhood streets.The trail greatly improves the accessibility of an underutilized park.
Towers Park is rarely used by neighborhood residents because it is cut off by the Naval Facility and Washington Blvd. The trail will finally provide a safe, direct, pleasant connection from the majority of Penrose to the park.There are no good alternatives.
Courthouse Road north of 6th Street is too narrow for any bike facilities other than sharrows unless huge swaths of heavily-used parking are removed. It is heavily traveled, it’s a major bus corridor, it has a large hill and it has a speeding problem. It is used by cyclists now, but only by brave, confident experienced cyclists. It is not a facility for novices or children. It is not a facility that will entice people to ride.Any east side trail alignment requires biking on both a hilly, narrow portion of Courthouse Road (covered above) and also a facility-less 2nd street bridge. The trail portion itself would have significant environmental problems (as covered in the EA) and would have to narrow dangerously as it approached Columbia Pike to squeeze between the on ramps and the Sheraton Parking garage.
Biking through Fort Meyer is lovely, but as we have discovered working with DoD, may cease to be allowed at any time. It is also not easily discoverable – many folks don’t know it is possible. In addition, many people are distrustful of consenting to an invasive search and ID check just to get safely to work, school or shopping. The Fort Meyer connection also does not connect at all to Towers Park.
These trees are already at risk.
The majority of the trees that will be impacted are within VDOT right of way. As we have discovered recently, these trees are not safe. VDOT has repeatedly clear cut large swaths of their right of way with little or no public input. We should not give up an important transportation and recreational resource to protect trees that may be cut down next year by VDOT without a thought.You’re Missing Commission Perspective
Much has been made about E2C2 and Urban Forestry’s rejection of the project, but what of the Bicycle Advisory Committee? What of the Transportation Commission? If you only consult one side of the commission system, you will only hear one perspective.Staff has done as you directed.
In 2012, the board directed the manager to “mitigate, as much as is feasible, the loss of trees while providing a quality, safe bicycle/pedestrian trail”. Staff has revamped the trail alignment as much as possible to mitigate tree loss. They have gone through VDOT approvals all over again because of it. They have negotiated a new easement with the Navy because of it. This is the compromise plan and it strikes the correct balance between tree preservation and having an important recreational and transportation resource.September 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm #1010661mstone
Participant@dasgeh 95334 wrote:
Maybe, except: (1) most of the trees in question are invasive and not the kind of mature trees that really need preserving in this area; and (2) the bike trail is about much, much more than environmentalism. ACE seems to be awful close to saying “these trees are more important than cyclists’ lives” which is ridiculous.
I’m not saying that this particular trail is bad, just that people shouldn’t poo-poo the issue of cutting trees in general. I think that in this case the efforts to minimize the loss seem reasonable, since the option of taking away car parking can’t be considered.
September 25, 2014 at 3:14 pm #1010662DismalScientist
ParticipantI think the real advantage is not so much moving cyclists off Courthouse Road, but shortening the distance one has to ride on the Pike when connecting to Orme/Southgate Road. I think you overestimate the danger of Courthouse Road.
Furthermore, continuing on the Washington Blvd bike path north of 2nd street is more dangerous that taking streets (2nd and Fillmore) to get north of 50 IMHO. The bike path crosses freeway ramps, which I view as more dangerous that riding on streets with moderate traffic.
September 25, 2014 at 3:16 pm #1010663DismalScientist
Participant@mstone 95355 wrote:
I’m not saying that this particular trail is bad, just that people shouldn’t poo-poo the issue of cutting trees in general. I think that in this case the efforts to minimize the loss seem reasonable, since the option of taking away car parking can’t be considered.
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This part of Washington Blvd is basically a freeway. There is no car parking to take away. Removing a lane doesn’t make any sense.September 25, 2014 at 3:35 pm #1010673dasgeh
ParticipantI don’t ride this section of Courthouse often, but every single time I have, I’ve had a bad interaction with a bus. I just don’t take it anymore.
@DismalScientist 95356 wrote:
Furthermore, continuing on the Washington Blvd bike path north of 2nd street is more dangerous that taking streets (2nd and Fillmore) to get north of 50 IMHO. The bike path crosses freeway ramps, which I view as more dangerous that riding on streets with moderate traffic.
I disagree with this one. Fillmore is really narrow on the part that lets you avoid the highway ramps, and I’ve had cars aggressively pass. The freeway ramps are horrible because drivers don’t realize they should be yielding, but because of lights upstream, there’s always a break in traffic, and you’re only crossing one lane of asphalt, so you can see that there will be a gap wide enough. The intersection with the 50 off ramp (where I Sherriff’s deputy hit a cyclist recently) is bad, but if you get the driver’s attention (I’ve literally tapped car hoods to get them to look), it’s fine. I rather have the control (stop and wait) I have at those crossings v. the trust that aggressive drivers on Fillmore won’t hit me.
All that said, if I’m aiming further west, I always take Irving, which is altogether more pleasant.
September 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm #1010674dasgeh
Participant@chris_s 95347 wrote:
ACE (Arlingtonians for a Clean Environment) has nothing to do with this. The people who showed up may or may not be ACE members, but they showed up as individual residents.
Ah, sorry. Misremembered.
September 25, 2014 at 3:53 pm #1010679chris_s
Participant@DismalScientist 95356 wrote:
I think the real advantage is not so much moving cyclists off Courthouse Road, but shortening the distance one has to ride on the Pike when connecting to Orme/Southgate Road. I think you overestimate the danger of Courthouse Road.
I chose to focus on Courthouse Rd since it will almost certainly never get any better. Columbia Pike will in theory will gain a 10′ sidepath along that stretch in the next 5 years. I agree that Columbia Pike is the absolute worst right now.
@DismalScientist 95356 wrote:
Furthermore, continuing on the Washington Blvd bike path north of 2nd street is more dangerous that taking streets (2nd and Fillmore) to get north of 50 IMHO. The bike path crosses freeway ramps, which I view as more dangerous that riding on streets with moderate traffic.
Personally I’ll take crossing single lane ramps with long clear sight lines over riding on Fillmore north of 2nd, but different folks have different comfort levels with various facilities. All the more reason to have options.
September 25, 2014 at 4:25 pm #1010685Subby
ParticipantWhat can a resident of Fairfax County do to help?
September 25, 2014 at 4:50 pm #1010686rcannon100
Participant@Subby 95380 wrote:
What can a resident of Fairfax County do to help?
I think (really I am guess) that is clear. A resident of an outer suburb stating that it supports Arlington smart growth and that you use Arlington cycling infrastructure instead of adding load to 66 or 395 or the GW – is a huge and loud statement. Most suburbanites are calling for widening 66. If you support Arlington’s smart growth, I think that is a big and unheard voice.
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