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  • #1034571
    PotomacCyclist
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    Quintana took off on attack after attack on the big mountain climbs the last two days in the Alps. He was successful on both days, taking chunks of time back on Froome. But he was too far behind already and so he was unable to come all the way back.

    He did show that he is the best climber and I think he showed that he is the strongest overall rider in this year’s Tour. His team had lost significant time in the first week when they got caught behind a crash. He lost a minute and a half on that stage. He now sits closer than that to Froome going into today’s final stage. While positioning and crash avoidance is part of the challenge of the Tour, if he had not gotten held up behind that crash, Quintana might have won this year’s Tour. He beat Froome head to head on the last two mountain stages, by quite a bit. Froome had looked unbeatable at times this year, but the last two stages showed that Quintana could be the champion of the future.

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    The women’s La Course race was held earlier in the day on a wet Champs Elysees. There were multiple crashes because of the rain and the cobblestones. It’s too bad the race isn’t shown on NBCSN or NBC. It’s only on Universal Sports, which still doesn’t have a carriage agreement with Comcast even though Comcast is a (minority) owner of the channel. NBC/Comcast owns several widely available cable channels like CNBC, MSNBC, Bravo, USA and Syfy. During the Olympics, NBC Universal uses some of those cable channels to provide supplemental coverage (soccer, hockey and other summer and winter sports).

    Why can’t they do the same thing and show La Course on CNBC or Bravo? Neither of those channels have major programming on Sundays. Looking at the channel guide, I see that CNBC is running infomercials until 8 pm. They could easily take out some of those infomercials and show La Course on a same-day delay. Bravo is showing repeat shows until 8 pm.

    If NBC Universal/Comcast was interested in growing the audience for La Course, they would try to broadcast it on one of their main cable channels, not on the Universal Sports channel.

    Today’s live coverage of the Tour runs from 10 to 2. The repeat broadcast doesn’t air until 8 pm. So CNBC could show La Course at any point between 2 and 8 pm without conflicting with the Tour coverage on NBCSN. However, NBC is showing a recap program of this year’s Tour from 3 to 4:30 pm. There would still be time to show La Course, maybe from 5 to 8 pm or at least 6 to 8 pm on CNBC. That would be a great lead-in to the primetime broadcast of the Tour at 8 pm on NBCSN.

    #1034630
    Kitty
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    @PotomacCyclist 120758 wrote:

    If NBC Universal/Comcast was interested in growing the audience for La Course, they would try to broadcast it on one of their main cable channels, not on the Universal Sports channel.

    If they had bothered to show it, I would have happily watched it. Not having TV, I would have gone to a bar/restaurant that was showing it and spent money there on refreshments, giving NBC ad revenue and helping the local economy.

    Instead I participated in an all-ladies metric century ride for the promotion of women’s cycling. We could’ve ended the ride at the bar watching La Course. Missed opportunities NBC. :p

    #1042328
    wheelswings
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    In case anyone missed it, here’s a story from yesterday’s NYT on Tour de France champion Chris Froome. It’s about whether he cheated in his races…conventional doping (like Lance) or mechanical (i.e., the assistance of a secret electric motor hidden inside his bicycle). The article does not resolve the question; rather it discusses some physical testing he underwent.
    It’s an interesting read, even for those of us who don’t really follow competitive cycling. It is hard to imagine anyone going to such lengths to cheat, especially after the prior scandals. And who would risk using a “secret electric motor” in their bicycle (how in the world could he hide it?), especially when there is so much at stake….Though I guess people cheat precisely because there is so much at stake, like half a million bucks plus sponsorships and fame.
    By contrast, there is no risk of me cheating on my ride home. I’d only be cheating myself — out of my beautiful home-cooked daily bath of endorphins, which are undoubtedly the best drug!:)
    Anyhow, feel free to skim the article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/sports/cycling/chris-froome-releases-test-results-but-does-little-to-silence-his-critics.html

    #1042346
    PotomacCyclist
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    I read a summary on Velo News about the same story. It seems as though the testing is inconclusive because it doesn’t include enough data points. Everyone already knows that Froome has extraordinary physiology. You can’t win the Tour de France without being extraordinary. The tests don’t determine if there was any cheating going on.

    One of the most frequent criticisms is Froome’s relatively quick surge in recent years, after being a step below the top level before. The explanation is that he was affected by parasites that cause bilharzia. I don’t really know much about that, but it’s at least plausible.

    Until there is more, I’ll continue to respect him as a Tour champion, while keeping in mind the history of doping in pro cycling (as well as in nearly every other major sport).

    I really don’t see cycling as any worse in terms of doping than other major sports. Most of the superstars in baseball over the past 30 years have been found to be dopers or there is a lot of evidence to suggest that they were involved in doping. (Bonds, McGwire, Manny Ramirez, Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Andy Pettitte, etc.) Football doesn’t even test for growth hormone. Given how much the average size of the entire league has grown over the past 20-30 years, there has to be something going on besides “better diet and nutrition.” Almost every week, a pro football player gets suspended for PEDs. There isn’t much testing at the high school level and college level, when athletes can be taking a lot of the PEDs to bulk up. An assistant coach at a prominent NJ high school was caught with a bag of syringes and PEDs in his car last year. One survey I read about a decade ago found that a majority of the high-school athletes who responded, admitted to some PED use. (However, I don’t remember the sample size or the methodology and all that. But there are many verified doping cases, at least at the pro level, that it wouldn’t be surprising that doping in football was so widespread. There are also a lot of troubling cases of off-field violence. You have to wonder whether roid rage plays a part, or if it’s a carryover from the violence of the game, overuse of stimulants and painkillers, brain injury or a combination of those factors.)

    Because all this has tarnished pro sports, I try to see the contests as experiences that can be more important than the individuals. It might be cool to meet some of them, but I don’t know if I would idolize them the way kids and a lot of adults do. The dopers who get away with it will get their money, fame and championships. But it doesn’t mean I have to respect them. (In other sports, it sort of turns my stomach to see A-Rod and Pete Rose on TV broadcasts. And now Bonds will become a hitting coach. McGwire was also a hitting coach and may still be.) Of course, none of that is as bad as when the Washington Nationals signed Elijah Dukes to the team. That guy threatened to kill his wife and all their children. All the other teams steered clear of him but the old Nats brought him in. He didn’t get into too much trouble when he was here, but his previous record was bad enough.

    Some or most pro cyclists might be doping. But at least we don’t hear about the steady stream of off-field violence that happens especially with some NFL players. (Off-season murders almost every year in recent years, including a likely serial killer in Aaron Hernandez. That’s just insane.)

    #1042445
    PotomacCyclist
    Participant

    Conversation from the movie “Zombieland.” I happened to hear this line as I was changing channels. Somewhat gruesome but darkly humorous to some. Highlight to read:

    “So he’s on one of those serious Tour de France bikes. You know, with the, like, the toeholds, right. And uh, he’s peddling. And the zombies
    head is like caught in the gear. You know, with the hair and the chain just like, going around. Very cool.”

    I haven’t seen the movie other than that brief clip.

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