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November 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm #932725
OneEighth
ParticipantGotta ask for the backstory on the rudeness.
November 18, 2011 at 3:16 pm #932726baiskeli
Participant@OneEighth 10986 wrote:
Gotta ask for the backstory on the rudeness.
Yes, gotta hear how someone found a way to be rude about you giving them something for free to keep them safe.
November 18, 2011 at 3:20 pm #932728DaveK
Participant+1 for that story, and what kind of dog lights are you giving out? My dog’s blinky collar has stopped working so I ordered a bunch of random lights off the net to see which one works well. He’s going to look like my bike before too long…
November 18, 2011 at 3:40 pm #932731americancyclo
Participant25 reflective bands is huge! Thanks for doing this! I left a little early this morning, but there were a few folks that could have used these! Incidentally I checked the running store near this intersection the other day, just out of curiosity, and the blinkies and reflective straps and vests they have run from $10-$25, so we’re saving the runners some cash, or at least getting them lights they wouldn’t normally pay for. Maybe next time we could set up free coffee, but only if they take and wear a reflector.
November 18, 2011 at 3:54 pm #932735Dirt
ParticipantTo a certain extent, the rudeness is expected under the circumstances. The corridor which I have been distributing reflective gear for the last 5 years has no street lights at all. When it is dark, it is really dark. That’s why the reflective gear is so important. I’m a stubborn SOB. Pretty much every time I encountered a ninja on that part of the trail, I offer them a reflective band or vest. For years I bought my own to distribute. Bike Arlington has been kind enough to give me some of theirs to distribute.
The reaction when I am moving and slow down to talk to people and offer them reflective gear is almost unanimously negative. The nicest people (about 10%) tell me they’re not interested. About 30% of the people just ignore me and hope that I’ll go away. Close to half are either rude or hostile. A few take them, but either never use them or throw them in the bushes after I’ve gone. (I see them the next day when they catch the beam of my light). I probably successfully distribute reflective gear to walkers and runners between 1 and 2% of the time. I have converted a core few to really taking interest in their own safety.
I grew up in a small town and still keep a lot of that attitude with me these days. Having rudeness and hostility as a first reaction to anything is completely foreign to me. I totally understand that part of it is based on fear in meeting a strange person on a dark stretch of path. But you’d think after a year or two that they might clue in that the best way to keep me from stopping to talk to them would be to wear something reflective. Some of them obviously have. The number of ninjas is WAY down over what it used to be.
Today’s success was based on a few things. I didn’t start giving out stuff until there was enough light that people could see me a ways off. I wasn’t in motion. I stopped along the side of the trail for an hour to talk to people. A lot of people recognize the cargo bike and wanted to take a look at it. I had a bunch of flashy lights on the back deck of the cargo bike that looked really festive.
Some people just want to be in their own little world when they run or walk. I get that. I don’t understand their refusal to take a few basic steps to insure their safety. I’m gonna take some pictures of people with and without reflective gear and make a poster board with it so people can better understand. I know there’s always going to be some people that just can’t look past themselves and their own situation…. they just can’t think about other people. I’ll resist the temptation to tackle them and staple a reflective triangle to their caboose.
(TOTALLY JOKING ABOUT THAT LAST PART)
Okay, Rant over.
Dog lights: I purchased all of my dog safety gear at Unleashed in Falls Church. It is a kinda cool store… the up-scale version of Petco. I was talking to the manager about the animal rescue stuff that I do and that also lead to talking about pet reflective gear for my give-away. He gave me a discount on the stuff I bought as well as some $5 off coupons for shopping there to give out. Those got snatched up pretty quickly by the doggy walkers.
I purchased simple dog lights. They are a little LED Fob that hangs on the dog’s collar. If your dog has a harness, it attaches nicely to the back, giving pretty good visibility. If they’ve got a conventional collar, it hangs down front giving visibility from the front only. I suggested people either get a reflective leash (the ones I brought got snatched up very quickly) or put a bike Arlington reflective band around the leash they already have. Lights were $5. Collars were $6-8. Leashes were $9 and up.
Unleashed also has some very nice collars with LED strips all the way around. They had rechargeable batteries built in and came with a charger. They were AWESOME and lit up really well. They were a bit expensive for me to be giving away though. I think they were $25. I may buy one for my most persistent ninja’s dog…. the woman who yells “Pay your personal property tax!” at me every week. Luckily she shuffles her feet when she walks. I can hear her way before I see her.
Did I answer the question?
Pete
November 18, 2011 at 4:17 pm #932738vvill
ParticipantI don’t get the rudeness either. Is visibility under light and dark that difficult a concept?
@Dirt 10996 wrote:
I’ll resist the temptation to tackle them and staple a reflective triangle to their caboose.
(TOTALLY JOKING ABOUT THAT LAST PART)
Got a chuckle from me.
November 18, 2011 at 4:24 pm #932739DaveK
Participant@Dirt 10996 wrote:
Dog lights: I purchased all of my dog safety gear at Unleashed in Falls Church. It is a kinda cool store… the up-scale version of Petco. I was talking to the manager about the animal rescue stuff that I do and that also lead to talking about pet reflective gear for my give-away. He gave me a discount on the stuff I bought as well as some $5 off coupons for shopping there to give out. Those got snatched up pretty quickly by the doggy walkers.
I purchased simple dog lights. They are a little LED Fob that hangs on the dog’s collar. If your dog has a harness, it attaches nicely to the back, giving pretty good visibility. If they’ve got a conventional collar, it hangs down front giving visibility from the front only. I suggested people either get a reflective leash (the ones I brought got snatched up very quickly) or put a bike Arlington reflective band around the leash they already have. Lights were $5. Collars were $6-8. Leashes were $9 and up.
I’ll have to go check them out sometime – I haven’t seen stuff like that at my local frou-frou dog palace. We’ll see how my ridiculous Chinese stuff works when I get it as well. I may have to do a dog light shootout.
November 18, 2011 at 4:53 pm #932740Dirt
Participant@DaveK 11000 wrote:
I’ll have to go check them out sometime – I haven’t seen stuff like that at my local frou-frou dog palace. We’ll see how my ridiculous Chinese stuff works when I get it as well. I may have to do a dog light shootout.
I’ve gotta go shopping for pet supplies in the next few days. I’ll document what I see. Not sure how a dog would feel about having the canine version of the Saturday Night Fever dance floor wrapped around its neck, but that was my first reaction when I saw that collar.
November 18, 2011 at 4:58 pm #932742consularrider
ParticipantDirt,
Do you have any recommendations for hands/wrists to make arm signals more visible?
November 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm #932744PrintError
ParticipantThose percentages are just sad, and I can verify they’re 100% accurate. I’ve been cussed out for politely informing someone that ALL BLACK is not the most visible thing in the middle of the night!
November 18, 2011 at 5:04 pm #932746Dirt
Participant@consularrider 11004 wrote:
Dirt,
Do you have any recommendations for hands/wrists to make arm signals more visible?
Pearl Izumi used to make a glove that (no joke) was all black except for the middle finger, which was white and reflective. I owned 3 pairs and it was a sad day when I had to retire them.
I usually use Bike Arlington leg bands on my wrist. There are other companies (Randall) that make good ones. The Swiss Embassy usually gives out awesome ones at Bike To Work day at their Freedom Plaza booth. Most bike shops sell the small wrist bands that are reflective. They’re the snap ones that stay curly until you straighten them, then you kinda snap them to your wrist.
Hope that helps.
Pete
November 18, 2011 at 6:42 pm #932756DaveK
ParticipantI have a few reflective slap bracelets I got from the Ft Myer Commissary tent at the Army Ten Miler (best swag of any race ever btw) that I put on to run around the neighborhood. My gloves have reflective panels so I’m pretty sure my hands are visible when I signal. If you really want to be seen I noticed these while shopping for new running shoes last weekend – http://www.roadrunnersports.com/rrs/products/FNU111/ – good store too if you’re in Falls Church.
November 18, 2011 at 7:23 pm #932763MCL1981
ParticipantIt could also be that the land barge you ride around on in the dark freaks people out a little too. :p
November 18, 2011 at 7:24 pm #932765dbb
ParticipantA quick search suggests Brooks has some stuff for runners.
The mittens look intriguing http://www.night-gear.com/brooks-reflective-adapt-glove-793
November 18, 2011 at 7:34 pm #932768Rootchopper
ParticipantNinjas have been driving me crazy this past week so thanks so much for doing this. I commute on the Mount Vernon Trail and I find that backllighting can be worse that no lighting at all. People think they are visible but they become awash in the light from approaching cars’ headlights. I have had at least a half dozen close calls since standard time started. I ride slowly 10-12 mph in the evening. Bike pass me all the time going much faster. It’s only a matter of time before I come upon one of them on the ground with a ninja in their spokes.
Thanks again.
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