Poorly ‘designed’ system for discounted annual membership

[trailrunner]

I sort of had the opposite experience. My membership was supposed to renew in April 2020. COVID hit right before then, and I started working from home and stopped using CaBi. I didn’t pay attention, and my account was automatically renewed in April 2020. I just searched my emails and text and I didn’t get a notification. I guess I opted in when I first signed up for auto renewal and forgot about it. I didn’t notice this until 6 months later, so I wound up paying for a year but did not use it a single time.

[peterw_diy]

Let’s not forget the awfullness of the website now insisting that you have cell phone service and use (insecure) SMS text messages to log in, rather than providing your account password over an encrypted, authenticated web connection. While the rest of the world is using things like Google Authenticator, USB security keys, and, yes, SMS in addition to passwords to make logins more secure, CaBi has switched to 100% SMS, making things less secure (and less convenient — I can’t be the only person who regulary finds himself in buildings with terrible cell service).

IME there’s no point complaining to CaBi, as it seems to be a complete mess. Maybe complaining to your elected officials would help since they own the system.

[Bergkamp]

Opposite in certain ways, but exactly the same in terms of lack of communication being the root cause. Unless it’s a horribly unsuited system to begin with- which may certainly be the case- in this day and age it shouldn’t be too much to expect automated notifications for things such as your account expiring soon or automatically renewing.

[dbehrend]

It would be helpful if the profile page was more explicit about whether you’re enrolled for automatic renewal and when a special type of membership (e.g., employer-sponsored) is set to expire.

In the past, I have received an email a month before my scheduled automatic payment for my annual membership renewal. The emails are a useful reminder.

It seems like CaBi also could send a nudge/reminder if an employer-sponsored membership is about to end (e.g., your membership expires on x, you have the following options…).

I get the text message confirmations, but prefer the ride history in the app, which is pretty clear about charges.

Do we know that folks who qualify for a discounted or free membership through their local government would actually experience similar issues? I would hope not. I would hope that the local government would be the entity determining eligibility and when to end benefits, not CaBi.

[peterw_diy]

@dbehrend 211349 wrote:

It would be helpful if the profile page was more explicit about whether you’re enrolled for automatic renewal and when a special type of membership (e.g., employer-sponsored) is set to expire

Amen. I’m not sure how well that could work — for years my employer has provided benefits by handing out “coupon codes”. I guess all they should need to do is keep track of the purpose of each unique code, or ask you, when renewing with a coupon, if you intend to do the same next time.

@dbehrend 211349 wrote:

Do we know that folks who qualify for a discounted or free membership through their local government would actually experience similar issues? I would hope not. I would hope that the local government would be the entity determining eligibility and when to end benefits, not CaBi.

I’d be shocked if they fare any better. I know CaBi has different account classes, e.g. some who qualify for free memberships also are able to keep a bike out for considerably more than 30 minutes without incurring an overage fee.

BTW, the login system is even worse today, as in: it doesn’t work at all. It won’t send texts, and if you click the right button combination to see the “Call me” option, the website displays “Oops. Something went wrong. Please try again.”. Also, no surprise here, their “Fix log-in issues” page seems outdated, e.g. it suggests they text from a five digit “short code” when, as recently as three days ago, they were using a regular 10-digit US phone number.

[Henry]

Thank you for these postings. I have shared all of this with the Lyft staff who operate the system and regional government staff who oversee them. You are correct. It is poor design compounded by outdated information on the website. We will work to get this fixed.

Henry

[peterw_diy]

Thanks, Henry.

Here’s another one: the “corporate membership” info on https://help.capitalbikeshare.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039402571-Renewals is also out of date — it says to log in to https://account.capitalbikeshare.com/, find “See Plans”, which is not on that page, and then click “Join & Save”, which also isn’t on that page.

(BTW my employer provided me a PDF with a Student/Corporate program code and slighly different, although still useless, instructions. I have also opened a CaBi support ticket in hopes of at least retaining my access to their bikes.)

[peterw_diy]

I’m sure you won’t be surprise to hear that the initial response to my support request included a new set of instructions that also did not work. Those instructions have seven steps, and I couldn’t even get through the second because they don’t align with the actual CaBi website behavior.

BTW, my memmbership is no longer listed as “expired” on the site. It now says it will renew in about two weeks, though it doesn’t indicate which of my two payment methods will be used, nor give me any way to remove either of those methods from my account, nor to disable automatic renewal!

I’m not at all surprised. For years CaBi has occasionally exhibited problems suggesting ineffective development and change management processes. What I’m seeing this week suggests both that management hasn’t thought through some user activity paths [like somebody with a corporate freebie wanting to continue as an employer-paid subscriber after one year, or somebody wanting their account not to be renewed], and that they’re deploying software updates (changing the coupon renewal process) and making configuration changes (switching SMS to a regular 10-digit phone number) without also revising their online public-facing documentation and internal customer service boilerplates. Lyft is just carrying forward many of the bad habits developed at Motivate.

[Henry]

Thanks. Add these to the notes.
Henry

[peterw_diy]

Such awful online customer service from CaBi. It’s been a full week since I last wrote CaBi about my trouble renewing with an employer-provided code, and they have not replied at all. This is so what I recall about Motivate — fast initial response with obviously canned text, and no follow-through.

My membership is set to renew next Wednesday, so at this point I’ve set an alarm to remind myself to just flat out cancel on Tuesday to avoid either of my payment methods being charged. I’ll worry about re-upping with a code on Thursday — thank goodness I don’t actually rely on CaBi to get around.

Next up, I guess, is writing my local jurisdiction so they’re aware (I don’t live in ArlCo, so my particular trouble doesn’t need to be Henry’s concern).

[Henry]

@peterw_diy 211415 wrote:

My membership is set to renew next Wednesday, so at this point I’ve set an alarm to remind myself to just flat out cancel on Tuesday to avoid either of my payment methods being charged. I’ll worry about re-upping with a code on Thursday — thank goodness I don’t actually rely on CaBi to get around.

Admitting this is broken and I’m working with Lyft to fix it, one work-around is to call Customer Service, have them cancel your account, then you can re-register with the code right away.

@peterw_diy 211415 wrote:

Next up, I guess, is writing my local jurisdiction so they’re aware (I don’t live in ArlCo, so my particular trouble doesn’t need to be Henry’s concern).

Please do. It will help escalate the priority.
Henry

[peterw_diy]

@Henry 211419 wrote:

Admitting this is broken and I’m working with Lyft to fix it, one work-around is to call Customer Service, have them cancel your account, then you can re-register with the code right away.

Thanks. I wrote CaBi again yesterday, asking about my request status.

Minor fail: despite my doing this by replying to the last email I got from the ticketing system per its instructions (“To add additional comments, reply to this email.”), my reply yesterday generated a new ticket number and “Request received” email.

Likely success: Lyft support replied to that new ticket to say they’d done what the CaBi site doesn’t seem** to allow me to do on my own: disable automatic membership renewal, so that after my term ends I should be able to reactivate with the employer-provided code. I’m crossing my fingers.

@Henry 211419 wrote:

Next up, I guess, is writing my local jurisdiction so they’re aware (I don’t live in ArlCo

Please do. It will help escalate the priority.

I have done so.

Thanks!

** There’s no toggle for auto-renewal, only a Cancel button, which I was reluctant to use because there were no assurances of what would happen once it was clicked, e.g., nothing reassuring me that there would be a confirmation screen next. I see now that CaBi does have a support page on cancellations but first off, it’s pretty vague (the bit about refunds within 14 days implies I shouldn’t expect money back, but it doesn’t clarify whether cancellations are immediate [which I might want if I’d lost my key and didn’t want to use CaBi any more] or if I’d retain membership benefits through the end of my current membership term); second, over the years I’ve come not to trust the correctness of CaBi’s online information; third, I’ve usually found customer support to be pretty bad & at best slow to resolve issues, so I am inclined to try to avoid anything that seems likely to cause a problem requiring their assistance.

[nuvem]

Looks like I may be in a similar situation where I would want to disable automatic renewal but it won’t be for over half a year. I won an annual membership in the raffle from the Car Free Day. Luckily, they snail mailed me the notification because the email went to spam. Hopefully the renewal code is still valid next year.

I did click the Cancel button to see what was next. There was a pop-up that first asked for your reasons to cancel with a long list of checkboxes. Some reasons were too expensive, moved out of area, not enough bikes, but I think there were at least 10 and possibly any Other for free-form text. Anyway, choose one or more and click Next (or some other to quit the cancel process). The next tells you that you can suspend your membership for up to 12 weeks or you can confirm your cancellation. I clicked the link for the suspense and it shows a calendar widget. I stopped the process at that point (i.e. did not do membership cancellation or suspension). So I did not get stuck in the wizard, but the original Cancel button provides no confidence whether it is immediate or not.

Anyway, I think the automatic opt-in for renewal and the inability to cancel that would be considered a “dark pattern”. When I joined CaBi, the renewal may have been opt-in, but am not sure. I do wish there was legislation to regulate online subscription/renewal/cancellation.

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