Pointless Prize: Civil War History

[consularrider]

#CivilWarMarker – Ft Totten, Queens. This entry gate post replaced the original in 1898. A fort to protect Long Island, NYC where the East River meets the Long Island Sound along with Ft Schyler across Troggs Neck. The land was acquired in 1857 and the original design for the waterfront battery was by Robert E Lee. Construction did not start until 1862 and it was never competed. I didn’t get to the Park until 5 pm (after dark) and it was too dark to find the true historic markers (plus they wouldn’t let me ride around exploring).

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[Kbikeva]

#CivilWarMarker – Vienna VA

I don’t know if you’ll consider this adequate, but it was cold today so I grabbed what I could and kept moving.

Freeman House & Museum

From the marker:

In 1859, Abram Lydecker, a New Jersey merchant, purchased land in Vienna on which to build a large combination dwelling and store. The Lydecker family was displaced early as the Civil War swirled around the small village. Vienna village changed hands many times and the Lydecker’s store and residents was occupied by both sides. Union officers were quartered here and kept their horses in the cellar. The Confederate army used it as a hospital.

The Alexandria, Loudoun and Hampshire Railroad passed nearby. A wooden bridge connected the store with the tracks. On June 12, 1861, Confederate troops ambushed and routed solders from four companies of the First Ohio Regiment less than one-half mile from this spot as they approached Vienna by train. The Federals, most of whom had left the train to fight, were forced to retreat on foot when the engineer hurriedly escaped with the locomotive and attached cars.

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[consularrider]

#CivilWarMarker – Continental Iron Works, corner of West and Calyer, Greenpoint, Brooklyn. There is no marker, but the USS Monitor, seven other ironclads, and a gunboat were built here bewtween 1862 and 1866. Closed in 1889.

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A post war Civil War site, Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn, Arch dedicated 1892.

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[BicycleBeth]

Hi everyone, I’m so excited that so many of you are playing the Civil War Marker and Street game with such enthusiasm!

Please make sure you are using the hashtags #civilwarmarker and #civilwarstreet ON STRAVA in your title. In your ride description or photo comment, please describe the marker or street as discussed in detail in the rules. I’ve seen a few people not describe the photo on Strava or not even identify which photo the marker is in. Sometimes it’s not obvious when there are many pics.

Sharing your finds on this thread is great fun, but it doesn’t count for points for the game.

Beth

[BicycleBeth]

@Kbikeva 204183 wrote:

#CivilWarMarker – Vienna VA

I don’t know if you’ll consider this adequate, but it was cold today so I grabbed what I could and kept moving.

Freeman House & Museum

From the marker:

In 1859, Abram Lydecker, a New Jersey merchant, purchased land in Vienna on which to build a large combination dwelling and store. The Lydecker family was displaced early as the Civil War swirled around the small village. Vienna village changed hands many times and the Lydecker’s store and residents was occupied by both sides. Union officers were quartered here and kept their horses in the cellar. The Confederate army used it as a hospital.

The Alexandria, Loudoun and Hampshire Railroad passed nearby. A wooden bridge connected the store with the tracks. On June 12, 1861, Confederate troops ambushed and routed solders from four companies of the First Ohio Regiment less than one-half mile from this spot as they approached Vienna by train. The Federals, most of whom had left the train to fight, were forced to retreat on foot when the engineer hurriedly escaped with the locomotive and attached cars.

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This definitely counts as long as you hashtag on Strava and describe the pic like you did here on Strava either in the ride description or the photo caption.

[AlanA]

@BicycleBeth 204227 wrote:

Hi everyone, I’m so excited that so many of you are playing the Civil War Marker and Street game with such enthusiasm!

Please make sure you are using the hashtags #civilwarmarker and #civilwarstreet ON STRAVA in your title. In your ride description or photo comment, please describe the marker or street as discussed in detail in the rules. I’ve seen a few people not describe the photo on Strava or not even identify which photo the marker is in. Sometimes it’s not obvious when there are many pics.

Sharing your finds on this thread is great fun, but it doesn’t count for points for the game.

Beth

FYI, I appreciate that you are trying to get people to follow the rules. However, I think you’ll find that it will become a full time job trying to monitor everyone and getting the “not quite legit” tags off the leaderboards.

It appears as though I could just tag every ride with every tag and have it count (although, I would never do that).

[BicycleBeth]

@AlanA 204249 wrote:

FYI, I appreciate that you are trying to get people to follow the rules. However, I think you’ll find that it will become a full time job trying to monitor everyone and getting the “not quite legit” tags off the leaderboards.

It appears as though I could just tag every ride with every tag and have it count (although, I would never do that).

Hi Alan,

I’m just making sure, especially this first week, how the rules work. I’ve been checking out all of the hashtagged posts on Strava each day so far. If work picks up, I probably won’t have time for such a detailed review. (I’ve only caught my riding buddy using a hashtag that won’t count so far and mentioned it in a comment on her post.)

Beth

[AlanA]

Beth.

Another clarification please. This time regarding streets.

I’ll give an example. Let’s assume that JEB Stuarts Cavalry used what is now Rt. 97 from Olney up to Westminster on their way to PA. How many times may I use this street? There are a few markers along the way, but may I use a stretch between two markers? You mentioned the different city/town rule, so would that apply to one continuous road as well? Would a random section in the middle of nowhere count? After all, they are marching from point a to point b with a purpose.

We have a fair amount of roads like that up my way. The National Road is another example.

Also, would a road that just involves a troop movement count? I have found numerous maps that show most of the troop movements along with the current name day of the road that was used. If I explain that it was used for “A Troop” going from “A to B”, would that make it more legit?

Just trying to figure out how to manage what I have to work with out my way.

Thanks.

[matteblack]

@AlanA 204294 wrote:

Beth.

Another clarification please. This time regarding streets.

I’ll give an example. Let’s assume that JEB Stuarts Cavalry used what is now Rt. 97 from Olney up to Westminster on their way to PA. How many times may I use this street? There are a few markers along the way, but may I use a stretch between two markers? You mentioned the different city/town rule, so would that apply to one continuous road as well? Would a random section in the middle of nowhere count? After all, the are marching from point a to point b with a purpose.

We have a fair amount of roads like that up my way. The National Road is another example.

Also, would a road that just involves a troop movement count? I have found numerous maps that show most of the troop movements along with the current name day of the road that was used. If I explain that it was used for “A Troop” going from “A to B”, would that make it more legit?

Just trying to figure out how to manage what I have to work with out my way.

Thanks.

I was pondering this same question during my ride today. I posted Lee Jackson Memorial Highway the other day in the Chantilly zip code, but it also goes into the Fairfax zip code (neither are incorporated towns/cities…Virginia is funny like that). Same thing with Lee Highway.

[Shawnbeast]

Here is a picture of the Orange and Alexandria railroad Trestle marker at Lake Accotink. I didn’t get a picture of the actual Trestle, but it’s also not the original one that existed in the Civil War. Apparently, the original wooden trestle over accotink Creek with a frequent Target of the Confederates to cut off supply lines. An attack on The Trestle directed by J E B Stuart was alarming because of its proximity to Alexandria.

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[BicycleBeth]

@AlanA 204294 wrote:

Beth.

Another clarification please. This time regarding streets.

I’ll give an example. Let’s assume that JEB Stuarts Cavalry used what is now Rt. 97 from Olney up to Westminster on their way to PA. How many times may I use this street? There are a few markers along the way, but may I use a stretch between two markers? You mentioned the different city/town rule, so would that apply to one continuous road as well? Would a random section in the middle of nowhere count? After all, the are marching from point a to point b with a purpose.

We have a fair amount of roads like that up my way. The National Road is another example.

Also, would a road that just involves a troop movement count? I have found numerous maps that show most of the troop movements along with the current name day of the road that was used. If I explain that it was used for “A Troop” going from “A to B”, would that make it more legit?

Just trying to figure out how to manage what I have to work with out my way.

Thanks.

Hi Alan A,

You may use this road (with troop movements or events) as many times as you like as long as the jurisdiction is different and troops went through there. You should cite some details about the movements like what side they fought for and under what general and what battle, raid, or skirmish, if any, were they moving toward.

For example, Seventh Street Turnpike (now Georgia Ave) goes through Washington, DC, Silver Spring, MD, and Colesville, MD. Colesville, MD is technically part of Silver Spring, which is technically an unincorporated part of Montgomery County. However, all 3 jurisdictions will count for this game since Colesville and Silver Spring are socially known to be distinct places. I have not confirmed that Confederate troops moved through Colesville though so I’d need to research this prior to making this #civilwarstreet claim.

Rational (other than these are the rules): I love people getting to see and experience the terrain that the troops experienced 155 years ago. There’s something to be said for the connection with the land, rivers, and place. And I love being able to see the sight lines from HQ buildings & roads. Winter is amazing time for the sight lines since it’s so much easier to see through the tree growth.

I hope that helps you, Alan A, and you, matte black.

Beth

[AlanA]

@BicycleBeth 204331 wrote:

Hi Alan A,

You may use this road (with troop movements or events) as many times as you like as long as the jurisdiction is different and troops went through there. You should cite some details about the movements like what side they fought for and under what general and what battle, raid, or skirmish, if any, were they moving toward.

For example, Seventh Street Turnpike (now Georgia Ave) goes through Washington, DC, Silver Spring, MD, and Colesville, MD. Colesville, MD is technically part of Silver Spring, which is technically an unincorporated part of Montgomery County. However, all 3 jurisdictions will count for this game since Colesville and Silver Spring are socially known to be distinct places. I have not confirmed that Confederate troops moved through Colesville though so I’d need to research this prior to making this #civilwarstreet claim.

Rational (other than these are the rules): I love people getting to see and experience the terrain that the troops experienced 155 years ago. There’s something to be said for the connection with the land, rivers, and place. And I love being able to see the sight lines from HQ buildings & roads. Winter is amazing time for the sight lines since it’s so much easier to see through the tree growth.

I hope that helps you, Alan A, and you, matte black.

Beth

Thank you for that clarification. I will make sure I give details on any street I use (and will not re-use the same one in close proximity).

And, you are so correct. After my ride today, I was thinking of those poor horses in the cavalry going up and down all those crazy hills! That must have been brutal.

[HokieBeth]

The Edmonson Sisters helped spread the word to DC slaves that The Pearl ship would be helping dozens of slaves escape to the north and freedom. This statue of them is in Alexandria on Duke St.

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[Kbikeva]

@BicycleBeth 204227 wrote:

Hi everyone, I’m so excited that so many of you are playing the Civil War Marker and Street game with such enthusiasm!

Please make sure you are using the hashtags #civilwarmarker and #civilwarstreet ON STRAVA in your title. In your ride description or photo comment, please describe the marker or street as discussed in detail in the rules. I’ve seen a few people not describe the photo on Strava or not even identify which photo the marker is in. Sometimes it’s not obvious when there are many pics.

Sharing your finds on this thread is great fun, but it doesn’t count for points for the game.

Beth

I haven’t done this on Strava, so my markers won’t count. I don’t use Strava except for Freezing Saddles so most of it is a mystery to me, and frankly not worth dealing with the details. Rather than clog this space, I’ll not do any more Civil War Markers. Thanks for sponsoring this, but I’m done. It’s more work than fun at this point.

[AlanA]

@Kbikeva 204413 wrote:

I haven’t done this on Strava, so my markers won’t count. I don’t use Strava except for Freezing Saddles so most of it is a mystery to me, and frankly not worth dealing with the details. Rather than clog this space, I’ll not do any more Civil War Markers. Thanks for sponsoring this, but I’m done. It’s more work than fun at this point.

Please don’t give up. It’s a fun game. It’s not really that hard to add the tags to your Strava ride. I’d be more than happy to help you out. And, I’m sure Beth would allow your previous rides to count since you posted here. I’m actually having a fun time with my stories about the war.

The problem with posting to this thread is that it become too big to manage for the sponsor of the prize (Beth). And the data is gathered from the Strava feed and not these posts (blame the tech folks for that).

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