OK to look at other teams disscusiuons?

[rcannon100]

@Vicegrip 106734 wrote:

Private or not there is the little detail that in order to jump to the front you need to ride there

Or cheat. Cheating is much easier.

[Vicegrip]

@KayakCyndi 106711 wrote:

Oh, I’m totally stalking people on Strava. Kurt (Vicegrip) and Glenn I’m watching you!

p.s. It is not helping that they both seem to enjoy night rides ….

Oh hell. Does that mean I need to comb my hair and check my kit for mismatches before I ride now?

[Vicegrip]

@rcannon100 106735 wrote:

Or cheat. Cheating is much easier.

Easy on the body. Hard on the soul.

[Steve O]

@Raymo853 106683 wrote:

I will not be taking part. Made a promise last night to my fiancee who had to wait in the car while I sleazed last night.

fiancee schmiancee. Get your priorities straight.

[peterw_diy]

@DismalScientist 106689 wrote:

What you do is mark all your rides as training (and private if you really want to disguise things) and then unmark them all on March 20.:rolleyes:

Or, just upload everything on March 20.

I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it’s very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it’d be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.

[cvcalhoun]

@peterw_diy 106760 wrote:

I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it’s very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it’d be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.

The “super-sleazy tactic,” a/k/a “sandbagging,” is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn’t currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

[DismalScientist]

Sorry, but that is not the definition of sand bagging.

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[americancyclo]

@cvcalhoun 106766 wrote:

The “super-sleazy tactic,” a/k/a “sandbagging,” is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn’t currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

There aren’t any rules that forbid late uploading of rides. There isn’t any explicit mandate as to when rides must be uploaded.

Sandbagging as I’ve always understood it in this context means using false data to misrepresent how much you think you’ll be riding during the competition.

It might be sneaky, but if you put in the miles, you get the credit. Some folks need instant gratification, others can wait.
Is it sleazy that I don’t upload my Friday evening commute, weekend rides, and Monday morning commute until I get to work on Monday morning?

[rcannon100]

Soooo I will break from usual snarks and say this:

FS is a volunteer run game among friends that has no real point. If you wanted to cheat at FS, you always could. And nothing will stop you, other than – as someone mentioned – your own personal karma. If you want to claim to have ridden a sleaze mile when you didnt – nothing will stop you. If you want to claim that you rode 300 miles and whammy the scoreboard – nothing is going to stop you.

There is a Spirit of the Game. If you want this to continue to be fun, if you want this to happen next year, if you want people to continue to volunteer their efforts – live up to the Spirit of the Game.

But if winning something that is pointless is that important to you – there aint nothing going to stop you – ‘cept for pissing in your own drinking water. You will annoy other participants. You will aggravate people putting in volunteer hours. You will ruin a game that lots of people are having fund participating.

There is no rule against cheating? There is also no rule that says where the mess hall is.

Live up to the Spirit of the Game. It is okay to make fun of Team 5, but dont be a jerk.

[dasgeh]

@peterw_diy 106760 wrote:

I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it’s very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it’d be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.

@cvcalhoun 106766 wrote:

The “super-sleazy tactic,” a/k/a “sandbagging,” is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn’t currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

What Peterw-diy describes isn’t sandbagging and isn’t mentioned in the rules. Nor should it be, in my opinion. People have very legitimate reasons for uploading rides when they do (i.e. people who upload at home, so wait until weekends; or upload at work, so wait until Monday; or go on vacation). Besides, it’s a team competition: it would take so much work and coordination to figure out where your team is if you were all trying to hide it from the rest of us. And in this competition, it doesn’t really help to know where all the other teams stand — you just gotta ride as much as you can/want to. Encourage the rest of your team to. There’s no other magic to it. Riding a bike is magical enough.

As far as the original question, eh. If you put something in a public place, you have to expect the public can see it, right? If you don’t want annoying people trying to bring dogs into your thread, I mean hijack your thread, find another place to have the discussion.

[DismalScientist]

@rcannon100 106783 wrote:

If you wanted to cheat at FS, you always could. And nothing will stop you, other than – as someone mentioned – your own personal karma. … If you want to claim that you rode 300 miles and whammy the scoreboard – nothing is going to stop you.

As someone who uploaded a 3000 mile ride to go jackalope spotting, I can only say it is not cheating if the ride does not show up in the final tally.:rolleyes:

[Vicegrip]

@americancyclo 106781 wrote:

There aren’t any rules that forbid late uploading of rides. There isn’t any explicit mandate as to when rides must be uploaded.

Sandbagging as I’ve always understood it in this context means using false data to misrepresent how much you think you’ll be riding during the competition.

It might be sneaky, but if you put in the miles, you get the credit. Some folks need instant gratification, others can wait.
Is it sleazy that I don’t upload my Friday evening commute, weekend rides, and Monday morning commute until I get to work on Monday morning?

I agree. Upload when you like. All should keep in mind the spirit of our silly little game too. Bulk loading when you have the time and access is one thing. Just one opinion. Doing something out of range with intent to mess with the flow and intended activity of the game is another. You will likely end up not fooling or entertaining anyone but yourself and become “That guy/gal”

[hozn]

@Vicegrip 106796 wrote:

I agree. Upload when you like. All should keep in mind the spirit of our silly little game too. Bulk loading when you have the time and access is one thing. Just one opinion. Doing something out of range with intent to mess with the flow and intended activity of the game is another. You will likely end up not fooling or entertaining anyone but yourself and become “That guy/gal”

Yeah, I agree that we shouldn’t ban after-the-fact uploading. I think there’s plenty of social pressure (from team, etc.) to keep people actively participating and uploading things in a timeline manner. If you post large ride numbers and then “go silent”, your competitors will probably notice. I don’t think we need to lose sleep over this. I’m certainly not, but then I’m not playing

If people were actually to deliberately cheat (upload/create fake rides with intent of them counting in the competition) we’d likely just disqualify the whole team. I don’t know that we have a specific policy, but I think a zero tolerance policy there would be appropriate. But I’m sure we won’t have to deal with that issue.

[americancyclo]

@dasgeh 106787 wrote:

As far as the original question, eh. If you put something in a public place, you have to expect the public can see it, right? If you don’t want annoying people trying to bring dogs into your thread, I mean hijack your thread, find another place to have the discussion.

Like the Discussion area of your Strava Club.

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