Need to break out of a rut
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August 11, 2014 at 8:05 pm #1007895
Bicyclebug
Participant“it isn’t a contest. Just enjoy the ride.” – Seth Vidal
August 11, 2014 at 8:08 pm #1007896creadinger
ParticipantSimply put – Rest. Do you have a way to take rest days and/or make your commute ride much easier?
When you wear out your body it needs rest to regenerate. PotomacCyclist and Dirt have some posts on this topic and I’m sure others have posted about over-training before too.
Congrats on losing all the weight! That must feel awesome.
August 11, 2014 at 10:58 pm #1007902mcfarton
ParticipantTake a break. And great work losing all that weight. If you sre feeling down go find a bag of anything that is 60 pounds. Pick it up and feel better about all of your progress.
August 11, 2014 at 11:01 pm #1007903Crickey7
Participant@Bicyclebug 92418 wrote:
“it isn’t a contest. Just enjoy the ride.” – Seth Vidal
This might not end well. You progress only up to a point through commuting. Any trainer would tell you that commuting riding is not good for training. I’m no expert, but you need to do periods of very high intensity riding, and periods of almost painfully slow riding. You need to do cross training. In short, you need to really work at it.
Or you could enjoy the purely subjective feeling of going fast. That’s why I removed the speedometer from my commuter. I don’t want to feel like I’m going fast, only to look at the device and discover it’s a perfectly humdrum speed.
August 11, 2014 at 11:11 pm #1007905ebubar
ParticipantI got a heart rate monitor to start trying to train. So far it’s been interesting to see where my heart rate is throughout my commute. I’ve been reading up on training and hope to get a plan together soon. Thus far, I’m thinking lots of long slow (heart rate zone 2) rides to up my overall maintained speed. Maybe that would help for you?
August 12, 2014 at 12:32 am #1007906rcannon100
ParticipantAny trainer would tell you that commuting riding is not good for training. I’m no expert, but you need to do periods of very high intensity riding, and periods of almost painfully slow riding. You need to do cross training. In short, you need to really work at it.
Naaaaaaahhhhh!
Simply put: the best training is having fun. If you enjoy it, you will keep doing it.
Some people are out there to be ubber athletes and win valuable prizes. Others of us are out there for the ride. I am one of those who is out there for the ride. I ran cross country for like 7 years. I played Ultimate Frisbee for 25+ years. I have cycled for… well since I was a kid. And I have done a bunch of other stuff. At its best, it has been fun. I played on one of the worst ultimate frisbee teams in Washington DC: SMUT (aka Smithsonian Museum Ultimate Team). We were terrible. But we had fun. The funny thing was… we had so much fun, we got good. In fact we got so good, we went to regionals and beat some of the more well known local teams (we beat ‘Bad Dog’).
Cycling is the same way. You want to race… well that’s one thing. You can put “Shut Up Legs” stickers on your top tube. But if your goal is to get stronger and faster and have better endurance, my recommendation is… Have Fun.
DC is filled with AMAZING rides. The W&OD. The C&O. The GAP trail. Go for a great ride. Or ride with people. Nothing helps push yah then the social environment of a great group of people. There is the Potomac Pedalers, the Oxon Hill Cycling Group (southern Maryland), the Northern Virginia Casual Cyclist Group, tons of meet up groups, tons of bicycle shop rides. Ride with people on great rides. Join a riding group that rides together.
I was never an athlete. I just wanted to go out and play. Funny thing happened on the way to goofing off – I got strong and healthy!
August 12, 2014 at 1:01 am #1007909scorchedearth
ParticipantI’ve found that I get a bit restless riding the same route too much so I endeavor to change my routine. Even when commuting, I have a bunch of different variations on my route home which can take me up hills, through different neighborhoods, and away from the usual track home. The bonus is that I learn to navigate the area better.
August 12, 2014 at 1:21 am #1007911vvill
ParticipantIf you want to keep getting faster/stronger, at some point you have to look into more focused training. Day-to-day commuting on the same route has its limits, although with a HRM or better still, a power meter, you can make the most of it. (If you’re really serious about it, hiring a cycling coach is probably the best bet.)
The gist of training as I understand it is to stress your body at or beyond its current limits (easier said than done!), and then rest adequately to give your body time to recover and adapt. Rinse and repeat. On top of that, you can train specifically for long endurance rides, or for fast sprints, or anything in between really.
For me reflecting on the last couple years, I found that I often did not take proper rest days (and/or get enough sleep), so that when I wanted to do a properly challenging session, I wasn’t able to put 100% in, and thus I wasn’t getting any benefits other than mileage and was probably just impairing my recovery. If your legs are sore or you’re tired 10 minutes into a ride, there’s not much benefit in terms of training. If you’re mentally fatigued then it’s probably good to take a break too, that is if you can’t find another way to ride or style of riding, etc. that motivates you.
August 12, 2014 at 1:24 am #1007912hozn
ParticipantI think that rest is probably the most-often overlooked necessity for maintaining forward progress on the fitness. I also find that doing dedicated workout rides with others is a HUGE help for getting faster. I think I can make myself suffer reasonably well, but there is nothing like getting dropped on a hill climb to motivate me to dig deeper. Find a riding group with people that are near your speed, but ideally a bit faster; there are lots of organized rides in the city. So it takes some “work”, yes, but no reason you can’t put together a solid training regiment (however formal you want) around your commute.
August 12, 2014 at 3:00 am #1007916PotomacCyclist
ParticipantHere are a few previous threads that have covered recovery, fatigue, overtraining/overreaching and related topics:
http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?6392-Sports-Recovery-for-geezers
http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?2690-tired-after-long-commute-yesterday
http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?2514-Bike-and-Food-Nutrition/I agree with everyone else that sometimes you just need a break. Or at least dial it back a lot and take it easy for a week or so.
Rapid weight loss might catch up to you too. It’s good to get to a healthy weight, but it can be stressful to lose a lot of weight very quickly. You can get to a decent point, then hold there for a while before working on your next goal.
That leads to a related point, that it’s not realistic to make continual progress forever. Stay active, eat healthy and make progress. But step back occasionally and consolidate your health and fitness gains. It’s OK to be in a holding pattern for a while, where you don’t make significant gains in fitness. As long as you’re still remaining active and healthy, it’s OK to go easy on the rides at certain times of the year. We actually improve our fitness during rest periods. Workouts and training create stress and microdamage, and the potential for fitness improvement. But to turn that potential into actual fitness gains, we have to take a rest. This can mean a good night’s sleep in most cases. But if you overcook yourself with weeks and months of hard training/riding, then a longer break may be in order. Nothing wrong with taking the occasional rest day.
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On a different note, I think there might be a trick you could try out with your commute, to improve your fitness. You can make the rides tougher or longer, or both. Include some detours once in a while to turn the commute into a longer ride. Maybe not everyday, but once a week or so, add some extra distance (assuming this fits into your overall life schedule). Or find a hill or two and add that in place of a flatter route. While we don’t have the Rocky Mountains here, there are some moderately challenging climbs in the area, such as downtown to Columbia Heights, or downtown to Tenleytown in DC, some of the routes in North Arlington or Walter Reed Drive near Shirlington (Arlington) and the many short climbs around Potomac, MD.
An interesting tactic is to use CaBi for some rides, if that’s convenient for you. (If you do this, beware that downtown stations fill up very quickly on weekday mornings, and empty out on weekday evenings.) CaBi bikes are very heavy so you’ll go slower than you would on a lighter bike. But fitness isn’t measured by how fast you are going. After all, you can get excellent workouts on a spin bike and you aren’t moving at all. With CaBi, you do have to watch out for the tendency to slip into a low cadence. I’ve noticed this myself. When I ride on CaBi too often, my pedaling cadence in all rides tends to drop. So this year, I’ve made more of an effort to pedal at a faster cadence while on CaBi, even if that makes me slower on that particular trip. It takes longer to make a trip on CaBi than on a light road bike. So that same distance gets turned into a harder workout if you ride it on a CaBi bike. It will take longer too, so take that into account when working out your overall schedule. This is easier to figure out than to add the detours I mentioned above. You ride the same route as usual, but it becomes a harder challenge, because of the much heavier CaBi bike.
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I also looked at your Strava profile. If you weren’t an experienced cyclist before this year, that progression from Jan. to June and July is quite steep. While volume doesn’t determine the total stress load completely, it plays a part. In other words, if you ramp up your total hours or miles that quickly, it’s likely that you are putting a lot of stress on your body. Stress is good, but only to a point. Stress is required to spur your body to make changes that improve your fitness, as long as you give your body a chance to recover and rebuild after the workouts. But excessive stress digs too deep a hole, and causes decreasing performance and increasing fatigue.
There are no magic rules that apply to everyone in every situation. But doing too much too soon is a frequent training mistake among many new endurance athletes. Seems like you have gotten into this hole, based on the Strava mileage numbers and your reported slower speeds and increasing fatigue. Those are all clear signs that you’ve started to overreach. Back off on the throttle a bit until you start to feel “normal” again. Be sure to eat a healthy diet with enough quality calories to support your riding (and any other workouts you might be adding). You can get your energy back, as long as you give your body a chance to recover.
August 12, 2014 at 12:16 pm #1007922vvill
Participant@hozn 92436 wrote:
I think that rest is probably the most-often overlooked necessity for maintaining forward progress on the fitness. I also find that doing dedicated workout rides with others is a HUGE help for getting faster. I think I can make myself suffer reasonably well, but there is nothing like getting dropped on a hill climb to motivate me to dig deeper. Find a riding group with people that are near your speed, but ideally a bit faster; there are lots of organized rides in the city. So it takes some “work”, yes, but no reason you can’t put together a solid training regiment (however formal you want) around your commute.
Agreed… as usual
After reading about formal training programs/techniques/etc (this book) earlier this year, one of the biggest things I took away was the need for rest, and looking back at some of my riding in 2012 and early 2013 it was clear I wasn’t getting enough of it. (The other thing I took away was that you don’t need a ton of mileage unless you just want to be able to ride long endurance rides – it’s all about specificity – although this may seem obvious, it’s not until you really look at how you ride that this becomes clearer.)
Yep, group riding is pretty much the only way I can get really close to 100%. For example, I almost never hit a 200 HR on my own but if I’m in a group that’s going around my limit then I’ll hit it and beyond. But it’s not often I’ll even hit 190 riding alone even if I feel like I’m gassed. Another motivator that works for me in a different way is social stuff like Strava, Freezing Saddles, etc. – but those are usually distance/elevation goal based so they’re actually counterproductive in terms of structured training. But they’re good for plain mental motivation to get out in bad weather, etc.
August 12, 2014 at 12:36 pm #1007924Rod Smith
ParticipantWhen it gets stale, I increase distance. Double your miles, double your fun.
August 12, 2014 at 8:27 pm #1007954n18
ParticipantIn my inexpert opinion, when you start a physical activity, the body resists it at first until you break a certain threshold. The stronger you are, the higher the threshold. You need to ramp up your physical activity slowly until you break that threshold. When you break that threshold, the heart rate goes up, the body releases natural pain killers(Adrenaline), and the joints become more flexible, and you would feel physically hot.
If the path you take initially is mostly flat or downhill, then try to go faster rather than cycling at leisurely pace. This gets you warmed up faster, so if you encounter hilly areas later, you are already pumped-up, and can tackle them easier. When I go to W&OD, it’s about 2 miles of mostly flat and downhill from my home to Vienna intersection. Going North/West is downhill till Hunter Mill Rd, then steady uphill till Reston. If I bike easily in the downhill areas, then the steady uphill after Hunter Mill Rd becomes hard and I fell like quitting. If I go faster on downhill areas, uphill areas don’t seem so hard. This all assumes that you are fully rested and don’t have any muscle or joint pain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warming_up
August 13, 2014 at 12:34 am #1007969seunpu
ParticipantChris,
60 pounds of weight is some major body change. Good for you! This might be simple but are you getting enough restful sleep? I naturally get up early but that means I have to turn everything off early the night before. How you feel tomorrow is often determined by the rest you get the day/night before. Perhaps if you look at your natural sleep patterns and guard against watching night TV or web browsing, you might find some new pep in your rides. Riding with someone faster than you is also a big help. Lastly, it takes time for your body to adapt. Be patient. You’ve made great progress. Be proud of that and keep it up.
Steve
August 13, 2014 at 1:22 am #1007971KLizotte
ParticipantWhoa. 60 pounds in five months is a freaking lot of weight. That’s about three pounds a week on average which means that you have probably lost some muscle mass along with flab. Just looking at your strava record, you pretty much doubled your miles starting in June and haven’t looked back since then. Very admirable effort but probably too much all at once; I’m surprised you haven’t burned out before now. Pedal easier a few days a week and only concentrate on 2-3 “hard” days. Take at least one day off on the weekend. It’s also harder to bike in hot/humid weather too for a lot of people. Make sure you are drinking plenty, esp something like Gatorade to replace electrolytes. At least once each summer my electrolytes plummet from sweating so much and I feel very drained, weak and tired for a week then I figure out what happened and drink a lot of electrolytes and the problem goes away. It’s already happened once this summer because I was only drinking water under the illusion that was sufficient given our abnormally cool weather.
Give yourself some rest till you start feeling peppy again; it will be cooler in the fall and that will help. Also try mixing things up with another kind of exercise too like walking to give your cycling muscles time to recover.
You are doing great but your body is telling you that you need a bit of a breather to catch up with your ambition! And watch those electrolytes!
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