Maybe this would stop illegal U-turns on Penn?

[Certifried]

well, I can’t read Mandarin, but from the looks of it I would say that sign says “NO CARS”. It looks to be some sort of bus lane, and the fencing is probably there to keep the bikes from going out in to that lane.

[DaveK]

I was thinking more along the lines of “do not cross bike lane – severe tire damage”

[bluerider]

@Certifried 37805 wrote:

well, I can’t read Mandarin, but from the looks of it I would say that sign says “NO CARS”. It looks to be some sort of bus lane, and the fencing is probably there to keep the bikes from going out in to that lane.

There were cars on that road. The sign is to keep cars out of the bike lane itself. The fencing is not that pretty but terrible effective. Just one line of fencing down the middle of the bike lane separating each direction of bike lane would do the trick. It would also keep cyclists from doing stupid and illegal things as well which I will admit…..happens.

[bluerider]

@DaveK 37812 wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of “do not cross bike lane – severe tire damage”

NOW THIS I LIKE!!!!!!! Except we actually need to install the tire damaging devices more than the signs themselves.

[ShawnoftheDread]

@bluerider 37815 wrote:

NOW THIS I LIKE!!!!!!! Except we actually need to install the tire damaging devices more than the signs themselves.

Will the “bollards are teh death” folks be upset about sharp metal spikes sticking up from the ground?

[bluerider]

@ShawnoftheDread 37817 wrote:

Will the “bollards are teh death” folks be upset about sharp metal spikes sticking up from the ground?

Probably….but I don’t really care at this point.

[DSalovesh]

One unique concern we’ll hear about Pa Ave is the need to plan around evacuation and protection of the Supreme Court, the Capitol, and the White House.

Hard, continuous barriers seem incompatible with that.

But the CFA is populated with some of the best architects and city planners in the nation, and DDOT’s engineers are without peers anywhere, so I’m sure that if they can get past saying “we can’t” and start looking toward “how can we?” this problem will be overcome.

[Rootchopper]

I agree. I seem to recall that when the feds were told to evacuate the city after 9/11 and the 2011 earthquake the fastest way out was by bike, not car.

[DaveK]

@DSalovesh 37822 wrote:

One unique concern we’ll hear about Pa Ave is the need to plan around evacuation and protection of the Supreme Court, the Capitol, and the White House.

Hard, continuous barriers seem incompatible with that.

But the CFA is populated with some of the best architects and city planners in the nation, and DDOT’s engineers are without peers anywhere, so I’m sure that if they can get past saying “we can’t” and start looking toward “how can we?” this problem will be overcome.

If they’re not even considering flex posts for the full length, how are we supposed to get to a proper cycletrack?

[DismalScientist]

Has anyone considered putting one way bike lanes on the right side of the street? I really don’t understand the appeal of the current design.

[bluerider]

@DismalScientist 37870 wrote:

Has anyone considered putting one way bike lanes on the right side of the street? I really don’t understand the appeal of the current design.

I know the current design was used to reduce conflicts. Unfortunately, this worked well in theory but horrible in practice. I am also wondering about the validity of a complete redesign of the Penn cycletrack.

[KLizotte]

@bluerider 37874 wrote:

I know the current design was used to reduce conflicts. Unfortunately, this worked well in theory but horrible in practice. I am also wondering about the validity of a complete redesign of the Penn cycletrack.

The current design was also implemented because it meant few parking spaces would be lost. I think a 15th street cycletrack would work better.

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