Hit by car on Columbia Pike,driver at fault/ticketed.Officer changed fault on report.

[mstone]

Get another lawyer.

[zsionakides]

You can get a better lawyer, but you probably won’t get much in damages from an uninsured motorist. There’s a reason they are uninsured, and it’s not due to having enough assets to self insure.

What will probably matter is how large your uninsured motorist policy is, if your insurance covers while biking. This is an area that is easy to overlook in coverage as the minimums are really low.

[dasgeh]

First of all, I’m so glad it’s not worse, and congratulations on the new baby. The timing really, really sucks.

Secondly, you should probably flip through WABA’s What To Do After a Crash: http://www.waba.org/resources/what-to-do-after-a-crash/

Sounds like you have a number of different threads to pursue:
1) your claim — it sounds like you need a new lawyer — there are some recommended on WABA’s explainer (Cory does a lot in Arlington)

2) improving ACPD response. It sounds like what’s happened is very frustrating. I would wait until you have a lawyer you trust, and go through strategy with that person, but in general, it’s worth a wider discussion with the Police about what they base their citations on and what sources of information they may not be looking at. We talk to ACPD through BAC and we will bring this up.

3) improving the Pike. Again, a common topic at BAC, and one that will probably be a big factor in the update to the Bicycle Element, once we get to the point where we’re talking about specific locations (right now we’re talking policies). If you have any thoughts about policies that you’d recommend to address your situation, definitely let the Working Group know — bikeplanupdate@arlingtonva.us

And please, tell your story. Right now, the plan for that end of the Pike is a 10-12′ wide sidewalk trail (see e.g. page 150 of this report. It sounds like that infrastructure would not only have not helped in your case, but would probably lead people biking to be going faster, leading to more conflicts. That plan was based on a study that’s now 5 years old, and was completed before Fort Myer effectively closed its gates to cyclists, and before the removal of Southgate Road was certain. countyboard@arlingtonva.us is a quick way to tell the Board; countymanager@arlingtonva.us is a quick way to tell the Manager; des-teo@arlingtonva.us is a relatively new way to report issues like this to the Department responsible for fixing it. (And police@arlingtonva.us is for ACPD)

[Brendan von Buckingham]

I hate being the turd in the punch bowl, but if your claim of no fault includes going 12 mph in the crosswalk against the flow of traffic, the officer’s revised claim of excessive speed will be accepted without much pause by any judge or court. Probably enough that the fault is shared pretty evenly. I know cyclists in crosswalks are supposed to be treated as pedestrians, but pedestrians walk 3 mph. A vector moving at 12 mph is not moving like a normal pedestrian. It’s very unexpected. It allows the driver to claim with some reason that “he came out of nowhere.” I would claim you were moving at 3 mph if you can.

Your account sure sounds like the driver was only looking left when they gunned it to turn right on red, and that really sucks, I face that same situation every evening near the Arlington Cemetery Metro, so I sympathize. In my case even, the cars are coming off of VA-110 so they roll through without stopping because they treat it like an exit ramp. I’ve been commuting 25 years and that sort of crossing is my most dangerous. I don’t proceed until the car is stopped and I make eye-contact.

So I really do sympathize, but it’s hard for that to not sound snarky on an anonymous message board. So I’m saying it: I’m sorry this happened to you. I just don’t think you’re going to be able to reel this one back in your favor. I hope you do, I just don’t think so. Good luck.

[zsionakides]

If you were on the south side of Columbia Pike, the light has a no turn on red sign, which would give you much better claim on the vehicle being entirely at fault. On the north side, right turns are allowed on red, so if you were going at a decent pace, then it’s possible the driver didn’t look back right for bikes and could claim they didn’t see you.

Based on your accident and the others you describe, I would advocate for a no turn on red coming off the ramp and possibly bike crossing signs as well.

[wabisabi]

@dasgeh 167362 wrote:

First of all, I’m so glad it’s not worse, and congratulations on the new baby. The timing really, really sucks.

Secondly, you should probably flip through WABA’s What To Do After a Crash: http://www.waba.org/resources/what-to-do-after-a-crash/

Sounds like you have a number of different threads to pursue:
1) your claim — it sounds like you need a new lawyer — there are some recommended on WABA’s explainer (Cory does a lot in Arlington)

2) improving ACPD response. It sounds like what’s happened is very frustrating. I would wait until you have a lawyer you trust, and go through strategy with that person, but in general, it’s worth a wider discussion with the Police about what they base their citations on and what sources of information they may not be looking at. We talk to ACPD through BAC and we will bring this up.

3) improving the Pike. Again, a common topic at BAC, and one that will probably be a big factor in the update to the Bicycle Element, once we get to the point where we’re talking about specific locations (right now we’re talking policies). If you have any thoughts about policies that you’d recommend to address your situation, definitely let the Working Group know — bikeplanupdate@arlingtonva.us

And please, tell your story. Right now, the plan for that end of the Pike is a 10-12′ wide sidewalk trail (see e.g. page 150 of this report. It sounds like that infrastructure would not only have not helped in your case, but would probably lead people biking to be going faster, leading to more conflicts. That plan was based on a study that’s now 5 years old, and was completed before Fort Myer effectively closed its gates to cyclists, and before the removal of Southgate Road was certain. countyboard@arlingtonva.us is a quick way to tell the Board; countymanager@arlingtonva.us is a quick way to tell the Manager; des-teo@arlingtonva.us is a relatively new way to report issues like this to the Department responsible for fixing it. (And police@arlingtonva.us is for ACPD)

Thanks for all of this information! I really appreciate how cohesive it was. Correct, this is incredibly frustrating for me. Trying to stay positive.

I’m in the process of trying to dump this attorney, but I’m locked in a contract. He’s done no help and just wants me to stay in PT as long as possible, regardless of my progress. The knucklehead even missed our first face to face meeting. He doesn’t care.

I will email and share this story with the addresses you provided. One of my main concerns is the ACPD response, or the lack of response. I would love to acquire the services of a good attorney, probably Cory, or another individual listed in the “What to do..” resource. Because I don’t have the advice of a decent attorney at the moment, I feel like my hands are tied regarding what to do about ACPD. I was considering filing a complaint to see if gets any traction, but I don’t think it would go anywhere. It just seems unsettling how it’s been handled. More eyes on this situation would potentially help improve this intersection.

I just started biking to work again 2 weeks ago. It’s a wonderful feeling, but I still tense up when I ride through that intersection. I hope we get a good alternative someday. A 5 year old study is not what we should be basing the next improvements on.

[zsionakides]

I noticed that you have Green Valley as your location. Have you considered riding on Army-Navy drive or even going the longer way around 4 Mile Run and the MVT. Both are much less congested than Columbia Pike.

[Steve O]

@mstone 167341 wrote:

Get another lawyer.

Bruce Deming

Bruce’s website says he provides a free initial consultation, so unless your contract prohibits that, there’s no harm in giving him a call.

[Steve O]

@Brendan von Buckingham 167369 wrote:

I hate being the turd in the punch bowl, but if your claim of no fault includes going 12 mph in the crosswalk against the flow of traffic, the officer’s revised claim of excessive speed will be accepted without much pause by any judge or court. Probably enough that the fault is shared pretty evenly. I know cyclists in crosswalks are supposed to be treated as pedestrians, but pedestrians walk 3 mph. A vector moving at 12 mph is not moving like a normal pedestrian. It’s very unexpected. It allows the driver to claim with some reason that “he came out of nowhere.” I would claim you were moving at 3 mph if you can.

I somewhat disagree with this. As a former runner, I could run a steady 9 mph, somewhat faster downhill and when doing intervals. A runner is a pedestrian I believe. There is no such thing as “against the flow of traffic” when a pedestrian. An attentive driver should “expect” that. The OP was moving at a similar speed and had the walk signal.
If the driver had hit me, running at 9-10 mph, would you assign fault evenly, too? What if I were jogging with a jogging stroller and a baby?

[zsionakides]

@Steve O 167393 wrote:

I somewhat disagree with this. As a former runner, I could run a steady 9 mph, somewhat faster downhill and when doing intervals. A runner is a pedestrian I believe. There is no such thing as “against the flow of traffic” when a pedestrian. An attentive driver should “expect” that. The OP was moving at a similar speed and had the walk signal.
If the driver had hit me, running at 9-10 mph, would you assign fault evenly, too? What if I were jogging with a jogging stroller and a baby?

My understanding is that Virginia is a contributory negligence state, so even if the OP is shown to be 1% at fault, he can’t collect from the other party (who probably doesn’t have money anyway being uninsured).

[Subby]

@Steve O 167393 wrote:

I somewhat disagree with this. As a former runner, I could run a steady 9 mph, somewhat faster downhill and when doing intervals. A runner is a pedestrian I believe. There is no such thing as “against the flow of traffic” when a pedestrian. An attentive driver should “expect” that. The OP was moving at a similar speed and had the walk signal.
If the driver had hit me, running at 9-10 mph, would you assign fault evenly, too? What if I were jogging with a jogging stroller and a baby?

Haha Steve O will humblebrag in ANY THREAD HE PLEASES.

OP: Definitely look up Bruce Deming and best of luck.

[dkel]

I know practically nothing about the law, but it seems if your lawyer is demonstrably underperforming, that itself would be a breach of the contract. Contracts are supposed to protect both parties in the agreement, not entrap one without recourse.

[EasyRider]

Sorry to hear that this happened to you. I have the same commute.

Why do you think the officer changed the citation? Something made him do it: his supervisor, an incentive, his quotas (Shh!), your ability to pay a ticket? There’s something there.

It doesn’t seem to me like it’s just a case of a cop with no sympathy for cyclists; he actually cited the driver at first and then, it seems, someone overruled him when he got back to precinct.

[peterw_diy]

@Steve O 167393 wrote:

I somewhat disagree with this. As a former runner, I could run a steady 9 mph

“could”, sure. But for a runner 10-15 mph isn’t “average” (to use the OP’s phrase) — it’s KOM pace. Average runners are more in the 5-8 mph range, especially for base mileage.

[Steve O]

My point was not to quibble over 8 mph v 9 mph. It was in response to the suggestion that a driver should not be expected to yield right of way to a pedestrian who is moving more than 3-4 mph. I wholeheartedly disagree. If the crosswalk has a walk signal and the car has a red light, the driver must ascertain that it is safe to proceed right on red prior to proceeding. Period.

And actually, it’s irrelevant in this case, since the driver admitted he wasn’t even looking anyway.

And to be fair, the poster did not claim what I stated above but rather made the point that he thought a judge might take that point of view. Sadly, that is plausible.

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