Help! What do I do?! WWYD? (spoke broke)
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August 15, 2012 at 1:40 pm #948667
KelOnWheels
Participant@krazygl00 28301 wrote:
The trick is to make sure said wheelsmith does the truing before you give him the beer.
If I drink half the beer then I won’t notice
August 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm #948668GuyContinental
Participant@eminva 28324 wrote:
More than that! Don’t you think those kids will be riding one of these days?
Liz
Well, the bigger one is on a Skuut and I don’t think that you can true a wooden wheel and I DO need to thin the herd a bit, so it will even out.
August 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm #948675mstone
Participant@Brendan von Buckingham 28308 wrote:
Local wheel builder, http://www.billmouldwheels.com/school.html, has concluded that 180 pounds is the threshold when weight of the rider + portage becomes an issue for spoke tension and wheel design. Whether that’s the right number or not, who knows, but your weight is something to consider.
Well, that’s the design target for the lightweight decorative wheels rather than some inherent limitation.
You can do much, much, much more weight on a stronger wheel. I did a towpath tour recently with at least 350 pounds between the bike, the weehoo, me, the kid, the stuff, etc. (DT Swiss 36 spoke TK540) Or see tandem touring wheels with 40 or 48 spokes that handle 500 pounds on 2 wheels.
August 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm #948679Certifried
Participant@mstone 28336 wrote:
Well, that’s the design target for the lightweight decorative wheels rather than some inherent limitation.
You can do much, much, much more weight on a stronger wheel. I did a towpath tour recently with at least 350 pounds between the bike, the weehoo, me, the kid, the stuff, etc. (DT Swiss 36 spoke TK540) Or see tandem touring wheels with 40 or 48 spokes that handle 500 pounds on 2 wheels.
I think the bottom line is that this is a “road bike”, meant for “racing” on the “race lite” wheels it has. I’m trying to commute on it, an inherently abusive riding task with weather, rough trails and streets, an occasional curb, front of a metro bus, rain, road grime/spray, etc. Add to that my weight (210ish) and all the other stuff I carry (lights, lock, full pockets, tool bag, etc) and I’m probably being pretty hard on a bike that is maybe meant for a bit lighter-weight usage. I’m trying to say this diplomatically because I *absolutely LOVE my Trek*. I just think I’m expecting it to perform in a situation it wasn’t meant for.
Of course, this all may be just my per-rationalization for buying another new bike. I already have it picked out, just waiting for the sale
http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/road/aurora/12_bosanova.html
I also have that old Miyata. I’ve stalled on the build for it as I’ve found issues with it that I want to re-build “right”. Which basically means a lot of money dumped in to it. More than the Jamis will cost. I’ll re-build the Miyata at a slower pace and make it a long-distance touring bike, the Jamis will be my commuter, and my Trek will be my tri/”race” bike (I don’t race, I’m just a pathlete/strava-wannabe).
August 15, 2012 at 3:28 pm #948680KelOnWheels
ParticipantThose Bosanovas & Auroras look great. I would quite like one for commuting.
August 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm #948682mstone
Participant@Certifried 28341 wrote:
I think the bottom line is that this is a “road bike”, meant for “racing” on the “race lite” wheels it has. I’m trying to commute on it, an inherently abusive riding task with weather, rough trails and streets, an occasional curb, front of a metro bus, rain, road grime/spray, etc. Add to that my weight (210ish) and all the other stuff I carry (lights, lock, full pockets, tool bag, etc) and I’m probably being pretty hard on a bike that is maybe meant for a bit lighter-weight usage. I’m trying to say this diplomatically because I *absolutely LOVE my Trek*. I just think I’m expecting it to perform in a situation it wasn’t meant for.
That’s why I call them decorative wheels, as opposed to wheels for doing things.
To be fair, they work fine for a lot of people and for a lot of situations, and built well they can successfully carry a load and last a long time–there’s just a lot less margin for problems. (Things like weight, road surface, bad day at the wheelbuilder, etc.)
August 15, 2012 at 3:57 pm #948687jabberwocky
ParticipantCheap, light, low-spoke count road wheels are basically disposable IME. You’ll get a year or two but eventually spokes will start breaking and you just won’t be able to keep them true no matter what you do.
Higher end road wheels can be light and (reasonably) strong, they just aren’t cheap.
As with anything bike-related though, you’ll be happier if you match the equipment to the use it will be put to. If you’re a big guy, commuting over rough pavement with a loaded bike, well, weight weenie road wheels aren’t gonna hold up. Not a fault of the wheel though, they just aren’t designed for it. But nor does it mean you need 36 spoke touring wheels designed to pull 500 pounds for years over remote terrain.
August 15, 2012 at 4:25 pm #948690GuyContinental
Participant@jabberwocky 28349 wrote:
Cheap, light, low-spoke count road wheels are basically disposable IME. You’ll get a year or two but eventually spokes will start breaking and you just won’t be able to keep them true no matter what you do.
I gotta say- I’ve been beating the hell out of a set of Williams 30x‘s and a set of Neuvation R28x and I’m pretty dang impressed. Cheap, almost disposable wheels sure, but I have 4k on the Williams set and have done one (1) true- the Neuvations are on the CX bike* and I have really really beat on them (like inappropriately launching off ledges beat on them). Tons of miles (5K? most from a previous owner who flogged the bike) yet they still roll straight and silent. In fact, I busted a spoke this week but the wheel hardly deformed at all… with 20 spokes! I can’t say that for some of my super swanky MTB wheels…
Sure, they’ll die (probably soon in the case of the Neuvations) but at the price I could buy 3-4 sets of the 28’s and 2-3 of the Williams for the cost of a mid-high end wheelset.
For Certifried, provided that you don’t actually buy that swanky commuter, I’d look hard at the 30x Wheels- they should have no problem with your weight or the beatings that they’ll take. The better deal is the combo price on the linked (and heavier duty) 28A (wheelset + SRAM Rival cassette/chain) is $389… which is really cheap.
*If I were smart I’d reverse that since the Williams is an overbuilt 28/32
August 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm #948692Dirt
ParticipantI’m a cranky, old cyclist at heart. There’s definitely a place for light, low-spoke count wheels. I have many pairs… including a few pairs of insanely light carbon tubulars. That said, the ride quality of a nicely built set of 32 spoke, 3-cross wheels cannot be matched. I ride other stuff because it is lighter or more aerodynamic, but getting back on a set of 32/3x wheels is kinda like coming home.
August 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm #948700vvill
ParticipantI “upgraded” from Mavic Aksiums to Neuvations (R28SL). The R28SLs are about 400-500g lighter – I got them as “climbing” wheels (not aero). No idea if it made any difference, but I haven’t had issues with either yet. I’ve commuted 1300mi+ on each sets and I’m not the best bike handler/pothole avoider (although I’m < 150lbs).
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