Guys – don’t shout at women

[vern]

Except…for those men and women who insist on shoving ear buds into their ears…yes, I do have to shout at you, because you force me too. Or, as I am doing increasingly, I don’t shout at you; instead, I say nothing to you, because you have decided that you don’t want to hear me and would rather be an island unto yourself.

[TwoWheelsDC]

@Tania 160870 wrote:

http://www.waba.org/blog/2017/05/guys-what-the-hell/

I heart WABA so much.

And to all the guys who want to say “hey! that’s not sexism,” I say in return “piss off.”

#actually instead of just agreeing with you, let me identify all the ways many of the examples of the bad behavior I observe don’t seem technically sexist in order to minimize the role that I myself have played in the perpetuation of the patriarchy because I have totally done those things…but not because she was a woman!!

[streetsmarts]

thanks for posting that Tania .

[DrP]

@vern 160872 wrote:

Except…for those men and women who insist on shoving ear buds into their ears…yes, I do have to shout at you, because you force me too. Or, as I am doing increasingly, I don’t shout at you; instead, I say nothing to you, because you have decided that you don’t want to hear me and would rather be an island unto yourself.

As long as your shouting is “Passing on your left” or the equivalent, then it is okay to shout at both men and women – and preferred.

I do NOT wear earbuds and in the increasingly rare occurrence of people announcing passes, most seem to be “passing” rather than “Passing“. The former is not very helpful.

[Tania]

@DrP 160875 wrote:

As long as your shouting is “Passing on your left” or the equivalent, then it is okay to shout at both men and women – and preferred.

I do NOT wear earbuds and in the increasingly rare occurrence of people announcing passes, most seem to be “passing” rather than “Passing“. The former is not very helpful.

I had a dude yell Passing at me once (font level 5, not level 7). I jumped, laughed and said “holy cow you startled me.” He then said something rather nasty and sped off.

[Emm]

@DrP 160875 wrote:

As long as your shouting is “Passing on your left” or the equivalent, then it is okay to shout at both men and women – and preferred.

Agreed. The article is focused on rude comments or unhelpful advice, and shouting that advice. Calling your pass loudly is neither rude nor unhelpful, nor is “WATCH OUT” or something similar when there is about to be a dangerous situation. Those are legit helpful things we all should shout on the trail to everyone we see when needed.

There is of course also a difference between knowing someone who is giving advice, and random trail person. If I was on a ride and Fast Friendly Guy, Judd, Ed C or another male forum member here that I know made a comment that maybe I should try a different seat height or method of climbing a hill or whatever else, I wouldn’t be offended since I know them. I’ve taken plenty of advice from forum members in the past regardless of their gender. On the other hand, random dude who was shouting at me to mash my pedals to climb a hill faster a few months after I had hip surgery since I didn’t “need” to be in the lowest gears? F*ck you dude.

[AFHokie]

What does it say about the world today when the comments about the WABA post degenerate to an argument about how to label the shitty behavior instead of just you know: “knock off the shitty behavior”

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[sjclaeys]

To save everyone time and effort, the most efficient thing to do here is to cut and paste the numerous comments to the WABA Facebook post for this blog entry. Everyone will find something to agree and disagree with. Please spend your saved time out in the beautiful weather.

[Judd]

@Emm 160877 wrote:

Agreed. The article is focused on rude comments or unhelpful advice, and shouting that advice. Calling your pass loudly is neither rude nor unhelpful, nor is “WATCH OUT” or something similar when there is about to be a dangerous situation. Those are legit helpful things we all should shout on the trail to everyone we see when needed.

There is of course also a difference between knowing someone who is giving advice, and random trail person. If I was on a ride and Fast Friendly Guy, Judd, Ed C or another male forum member here that I know made a comment that maybe I should try a different seat height or method of climbing a hill or whatever else, I wouldn’t be offended since I know them. I’ve taken plenty of advice from forum members in the past regardless of their gender. On the other hand, random dude who was shouting at me to mash my pedals to climb a hill faster a few months after I had hip surgery since I didn’t “need” to be in the lowest gears? F*ck you dude.

Remember when I shouted “Hi Erin!” at you yesterday?

[Judd]

The world would be a much better place if we just followed the advice of Bill and Ted to, “Be Excellent to Each Other.” I haven’t experienced as much aggression as my female biking friends seem to report. I’ve resigned myself to trying to model the behavior that I’d like others to exhibit as well shake my head in disapproval at people that make really bad passes, which I hope is subtle enough to make them feel bad, but not too aggressive that it becomes confrontational and they continue their behavior because “Hey F that Judd guy trying to tell me how to live my life.”

[Emm]

@Judd 160880 wrote:

Remember when I shouted “Hi Erin!” at you yesterday?

and I was DEEPLY offended (j/k)

[bobco85]

I’ll just repeat the words I used on Twitter to link to WABA’s page for this (140 characters really is enough, but I’ll spell out the abbreviations):

It’s sad this cyclist finished BTWD weekend with a negative experience because of these 2 incidents; this is a good reminder to be respectful and have empathy for others.

@AFHokie 160878 wrote:

What does it say about the world today when the comments about the WABA post degenerate to an argument about how to label the shitty behavior instead of just you know: “knock off the shitty behavior”

It’s because everyone takes everything personally, and online comments (especially Twitter) tend to be reactionary rather than contemplative. Some people seemed to perceive the message as “Hey (all) men, you’re all terrible, so stop doing (action)” and react to it rather than read the story and suggestions in context.

[GovernorSilver]

WABA might need to put up a variation of this guide – it does say “…and other types of harassment”

https://www.themarysue.com/bystanders-harassment-guide/

[Vicegrip]

Why is gender a factor in saying something to someone else or not? In the context of riding bikes on streets and trails and regarding bike behavior if it is OK to say to a man why is not OK to same same to a woman? I am not talking bad stuff but warnings or the like. Sure “get off your bike” is not a Dirt way to say something but it is simply rude man or woman. A new rider can be discouraged be they man or woman.

A little sprinkle of rule 5 so rude people will less insult your day. Rude is rude.

[ShawnoftheDread]

@Judd 160881 wrote:

The world would be a much better place if we just followed the advice of Bill and Ted to, “Be Excellent to Each Other.”

Oh, like we need those two to mansplain proper behavior to us.

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