Go ahead… buy that new helmet!
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July 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm #976024
txgoonie
ParticipantI got my brand spanking new helmet last night. Pulled it out of the box and immediately dropped it on the hardwood floor. I really hope that doesn’t count
July 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm #976025Dirt
Participant@txgoonie 58515 wrote:
I got my brand spanking new helmet last night. Pulled it out of the box and immediately dropped it on the hardwood floor. I really hope that doesn’t count
10 years ago, I’d have said that it did count. Helmets have improved significantly since then though.
July 22, 2013 at 2:19 pm #976029bikeeveryday
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my brain also… That’s why I have 4 helmets that see action during different parts of the year. My Bell, Giro, and Catlike helmets share warm-weather duties, while the Nutcase takes on the winter weather to keep my brain warm.
Ricky
July 22, 2013 at 2:58 pm #97604583b
ParticipantAfter I got out of school and started regularly commuting in the dark, my wife got me a Lazer Urbanize because she liked the integrated blinkies.
She said, “You are not allowed to get a head injury so long as we have such a gigantic mortgage on your brain,” in reference to my student loans.
July 22, 2013 at 9:52 pm #976124KelOnWheels
ParticipantWhat head shape are the POCs?
I’ve got a long oval head so Nutcases are way too round. Now that I’m doing longer rides I’ve noticed my cheapy Bell Furio starts giving me a headache after about an hour… I think a Lazer O2 might be in my future.
July 23, 2013 at 12:10 am #976134Riley Casey
ParticipantS’splain me this. Absent clear damage that renders a helmet unwearable, how does a single crash or even multiple crashes make a helmet unsafe for future use? I have only once had occasion to replace a helmet for this reason and have had a number of crashes that involved helmet to pavement intersection at some not insignificant velocity. Most of those did not render my helmet unwearable nor did it cause more than cosmetic damage to the helmets. What is the basis for this sort of alarmist warning beyond selling more helmets?
Caustic I know, I’ve always wanted to phrase a retort like this to helmet manufacturers that make this claim but when a well respected pillar of the cycling community says the same I have to ask for illumination.
@Dirt 58485 wrote:
… Most bicycle helmets are designed to protect your head from one crash…
Pete
July 23, 2013 at 12:56 am #976135jabberwocky
ParticipantIts because the foam that modern helmets are constructed out of does not spring back into shape after absorbing an impact. Once the cellular construction has collapsed (as happens when the helmet absorbs an impact), it cannot do so again, and hence will not protect any further in that area.
There is probably a huge grey area, where a helmet is still somewhat useful (and obviously still better than nothing) after an impact, but why screw around? My head is the most valuable thing I possess, and helmets just ain’t that expensive.
July 23, 2013 at 2:11 am #976140Dirt
ParticipantYup. What Jabbs said. It is the destruction of the foam that saves your coconut. Once it has been smacked, it won’t protect the well the second time.
July 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm #976197Tim Kelley
Participant@KelOnWheels 58612 wrote:
What head shape are the POCs?
What ever shape they are, they’re super comfortable. Definitely the favorite of all the helmets I own.
July 23, 2013 at 5:02 pm #976227JorgeGortex
ParticipantI wonder what the lifespan of the foam in the helmets is? I wonder only because I know that car seats for infants have a shelf life. Most are marked with some sort of expiration date, after which you are supposed to throw them out. (not very green, but in this case protecting one’s child trumps it, I think) Should people be doing the same even if the haven’t landed on their helmeted noggin?
JG
July 23, 2013 at 5:05 pm #976228JorgeGortex
ParticipantJuly 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm #976231jabberwocky
Participant@JorgeGortex 58728 wrote:
I wonder what the lifespan of the foam in the helmets is? I wonder only because I know that car seats for infants have a shelf life. Most are marked with some sort of expiration date, after which you are supposed to throw them out. (not very green, but in this case protecting one’s child trumps it, I think) Should people be doing the same even if the haven’t landed on their helmeted noggin?
JG
I’ve heard that helmets have an ideal lifespan, but I have no idea what it is (or even if its true). I tend to replace my helmet every 3-4 years anyway, because I wear mine a whole lot and they get pretty ratty and beat up after that length of time regardless of whether I’ve crashed on them.
July 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm #976235ronwalf
Participant@JorgeGortex 58728 wrote:
I wonder what the lifespan of the foam in the helmets is? I wonder only because I know that car seats for infants have a shelf life.
My impression is that the shelf life of car seats is not dictated by their materials (although I assume they are tested for that), but by changing safety standards, and the difficulty of recalling products after long periods of time. But for helmets, you know, Moses brought down the perfect standard off the mountain and handed it straight to the CPSC.
July 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm #976236rcannon100
Participant@JorgeGortex 58728 wrote:
I wonder what the lifespan of the foam in the helmets is?
Bike Helmet Safety Institute sez
Newer helmets from the late 1980’s and the 90’s may or may not need replacement. First look to see what standards sticker is inside. If it’s ASTM or Snell, the helmet was designed to meet today’s standards for impact protection, and you may even find that Consumer Reports tested it in one of their articles. Most manufacturers now recommend that helmets be replaced after five years, but some of that may be just marketing. (Bell now recommends every three years, which seems to us too short. They base it partially on updating your helmet technology, but they have not been improving their helmets that much over three year periods, and we consider some of their helmets since the late 1990’s to be a step backwards, so we would take that with a grain of salt.) Deterioration depends on usage, care, and abuse. But if you ride thousands of miles every year, five years may be a realistic estimate of helmet life. And helmets have actually been improving enough over time to make it a reasonable bet that you can find a better one than you did five years ago. It may fit better, look better, and in some cases may even be more protective. For an alternate view that agrees with the manufacturers, check out the helmet FAQ of the Snell Foundation. Snell knows a lot about helmets and their views on this subject should not be dismissed lightly, even though we disagree with them.
Occasionally somebody spreads rumors that sweat and ultraviolet (UV) exposure will cause your helmet to degrade. Sweat will not do that. The standards do not permit manufacturers to make a helmet that degrades from sweat, and the EPS, EPP or EPU foam is remarkably unaffected by salt water. Your helmet will get a terminal case of grunge before it dies of sweat. Sunlight can affect the strength of the shell material, though. Since helmets spend a lot of time in the sun, manufacturers usually put UV inhibitors in the plastic for their shells that control UV degradation. If your helmet is fading or showing small cracks around the vents, the UV inhibitors may be failing, so you probably should replace it. Chances are it has seen an awful lot of sun to have that happen. Otherwise, try another brand next time and let us know what brand faded on you.
At least one shop told a customer that the EPS in his three year old helmet was now “dried out.” Other sales people refer to “outgassing” and say that the foam loses gas and impact performance is affected. Still others claim that helmets lose a percentage of their effectiveness each year, with the percentage growing with age. All of that is nothing but marketing hype to sell a replacement helmet before you need it. There is some loss of aromatics in the first hours and days after molding, and helmet designers take account of that for standards testing. But after that the foam stabilizes and does not change for many years, unless the EPS is placed in an oven for some period of time and baked. The interior of your car, for example, will not do that, based on helmets we have seen and at least one lab crash test of a helmet always kept in a car in Virginia over many summers. Helmet shells can be affected by car heat, but not the foam. The Snell Memorial Foundation has tested motorcycle helmets held in storage for more than 20 years and found that they still meet the original standard. EPS is a long-lived material little affected by normal environmental factors. Unless you mistreat it we would not expect it to “dry out” enough to alter its performance for many years.
I’ve been hit by the marketing BS from a LBS; I dont go to that LBS any more.
July 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm #976237KelOnWheels
Participant@Tim Kelley 58698 wrote:
What ever shape they are, they’re super comfortable. Definitely the favorite of all the helmets I own.
I saw someone this morning wearing a white & orange Trabec Race – very snappy
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