Exercise isn’t bad for you after all

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  • #1028769
    cvcalhoun
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    I am thrilled with this, if only because the optimal amount of exercise is almost exactly the amount I have already been getting. ;-)

    #1028775
    hozn
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    @PotomacCyclist 114417 wrote:

    – 2.5 hrs/week of moderate exercise, 31% lower risk of death compared to inactive people
    – 7.5 hrs/week of moderate exercise, 39% lower risk of death compared to inactive people
    – 25 hrs/week of exercise, about 31% lower risk of death compared to inactive people

    So 7.5 hrs might be the sweet spot. A greater level of training can help with sports performance improvement. It’s not necessarily ideal for health, but it’s not harmful either. In fact, it is much more beneficial than being inactive.

    I haven’t read the study, but just looking at those data points, I don’t know that you can draw a conclusion about 7.5 hours being the sweet spot. The sweet spot might be 24 hours, they just didn’t measure/bin that data point? This is assuming some sort of predictably shaped curve that is peaks somewhere between 7.5 and 25 hours.

    Or perhaps the study theorizes on why 25 hours is lower than 7.5 and then suggests the shape of the curve between those points?

    #1028782
    PotomacCyclist
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    The article wasn’t that precise about some of the numbers. That’s why I typed “about 31%.” It said that the percentage was similar to the 2.5 hrs/week exercisers.

    I think it mentioned that the benefits plateaued going past 7.5 hrs, but I’ll have to check it again.

    The study was more of a meta-study where they combined data from other long-term detailed studies/surveys. I don’t think they measured every exercise level between 7.5 hrs and 25 hrs. I got the sense that it was more general than that, looking at rough estimates. That’s just my guess though.

    It could be a gap in what the article’s author wrote or a gap in the data from the studies or something else. I do recall that there weren’t as many people at the higher end of the scale (in terms of hrs/week of exercise), which is understandable. While 25 hrs/week might seem almost normal to some of us around here, the percentage of people who exercise that much consistently is fairly small. This low percentage would show up in the underlying studies, unless they specifically targeted ultrarunners and especially Ironman triathletes, and not even all of those people exercise/train that much. Most of the pros are probably at that level, but there really aren’t that many pro IM triathletes and ultrarunners out there. Under 1/10,000 of a percent of society at large. At that rate, they may have only had a handful of such people in the studies, which isn’t a good sample size.

    For that small group, there could be other factors at play. Do those with natural talent for those sports also tend to have fewer genetic issues that could lead to premature death? Is their longevity more a result of the training/lifestyle or of the backgrounds of people who tend to be successful at those sports and are drawn to these sports? I don’t know if any of this was studied here. Those questions probably wouldn’t be a high priority for researchers focusing on general health questions. For sports scientist researchers, they may not have the resources to run decade-long studies. Would those researchers have access to genetic analyses of the athletes? That’s a lot of private information that isn’t available.

    I’ll have to look at what the earlier studies had shown, the ones that got a fair amount of press last year or the year before. I think they showed something similar, that there was a peak in benefit at the moderate level of exercise and then it started to trend downward as you got into the high end of training hours. Something like that. I don’t recall all the details, but I remember all the fuss and controversy about how endurance training was shown to be unhealthy after a certain number of hours or training hours and intensity combined.

    That’s a possible flaw in much of this research. Exercise hours by itself aren’t the entire story. Intensity also matters, a lot. Someone who rides at a moderate level for 7.5 hrs a week is not undergoing nearly as much stress as someone who does hard hill workouts, sprint workouts and long tempo rides for 7.5 hrs a week. I know most people wouldn’t train hard like that 100% of the time. But say someone trains hard for 3-4 hrs of the 7.5 hrs/week. That would still be a much different stress level compared to a person who rides easy on flat routes for 7.5 hrs/week.

    Likewise, someone who does long races and truly races them hard will be subject to much more stress than someone who never does long races, or only participates casually and treats them more like moderate training workouts or social occasions. (Some amateur marathoners follow this approach.) It just means that there is still room out there for more studies. But this starts to get very nuanced, and the duration of the studies make this kind of work very difficult to do. Any researchers here interested in studying all this? I know there are some scientists among the forum visitors and plenty of scientists and researchers in the D.C. region overall. There’s probably not a lot of people looking to fund studies like this, however. Groups like USA Triathlon might be the best bet, but they don’t have enormous budgets for research, since that isn’t their primary focus.

    EDIT: I should have mentioned stage road cyclists too, like those who participate in the Tour de France and other Grand Tours. They train more than 25 hrs/week, but maybe not quite at that level the entire year? Even so, there aren’t that many of them either. A few hundred at most, worldwide, and only a small number in the U.S.

    #1028788
    hozn
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    @PotomacCyclist 114463 wrote:

    EDIT: I should have mentioned stage road cyclists too, like those who participate in the Tour de France and other Grand Tours. They train more than 25 hrs/week, but maybe not quite at that level the entire year? Even so, there aren’t that many of them either. A few hundred at most, worldwide, and only a small number in the U.S.

    This is a minor quibble, since it has little bearing on the larger point, but I suspect you are off by an order of magnitude here wrt grand tour riders. E.g. http://www.procyclingstats.com/rankings.php has rankings for ~2500 pro cyclists. Not all of these are going to be in each of the grand tour races, but when you consider that each of these stage races has ~200 riders and it won’t be same guys riding all of the races.

    And pro cyclists in general, I would expect are training > 25 hours a week, even if they’re never going to participate in even smaller-scale stages races. Heck there are probably some amateurs around here training that much :) Even on more intense weeks, I find it hard to ride more than 15 hours while maintaining a full-time job and prioritizing family life. 12 hours is my sweet spot, and probably sufficient time for any of my training/racing goals.

    #1028792
    PotomacCyclist
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    Does that pro ranking chart only include stage racers? I doubt there are anywhere near that many pros who are focusing on the long multi-stage races. Other than the Big Three, I’m not aware of any others that are longer than a week. Many pros, especially in the U.S., focus on criterium races. If they are included in the chart, that could make up a big percentage of the total. Of course, they will have to train a lot too, but their training would have to include a lot more high-intensity work than the long-distance people might do. I’m not too familiar with the crit racing world, but aren’t most of those shorter races? The courses are shorter, sometimes around a mile, and the duration is shorter, measured in hours, not days or weeks like the TdF is. Maybe they are still riding 25 hrs/week, but I would guess that they are riding a fair bit less than the TdF guys, while focusing much more on high-intensity work, because the nature of the race is so different. I’m just going off of what I know about the differences in training between shorter and longer triathlons and running races. There wouldn’t be much of a need for a crit specialist to be doing 5 or 6-hr long rides, for example. That would have very little application to his race.

    I know some amateurs around here, cyclists and triathletes, are probably doing more than 25 hrs/week, but as a percentage of the overall population (including all non-athletes and casual exercisers), that number will be exceedingly small.

    #1028793
    PotomacCyclist
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    My individual level varies a lot. I dealt with quad issues for the 2nd half of last year, so my activity level dropped considerably. I barely biked or ran at all between Sept. and Dec., and I didn’t swim much between Sept. and Nov. Aside from that, I didn’t have any major injuries for about 4 years before last summer. My total hrs would usually jump up in the spring and summer, then taper off in the late fall. I’ve always mixed things up, between bike training, bike commuting, errands on bike, casual easy rides, run workouts, run commuting, swimming and strength training. I do a fair amount of my riding and some running as commutes, which makes it much easier to fit it all in. I have to spend that time commuting anyway, so it adds only a minimal amount of extra time to bike or run. Even while running, I don’t lose that much time. If I take Metro, I usually have to wait several minutes for the train. Sometimes I have to transfer, which involves another wait. Then there are the short walks to/from the Metro stations. When I run-commute, I can start right away and there are no waits for trains (although sometimes I stop along the way to take photos of things like cherry blossoms). I usually bike commute on CaBi, so my speed isn’t that great, plus I don’t push super-hard on regular commutes. I like to ride at a moderate level most of the time on commutes.

    In my “off-seasons” (late fall/early winter), my activity level can drop significantly. Sometimes a couple weeks off entirely, then maybe 3-7 hrs/week. When I ramp things up, in mid-winter, I get up to 8-13 hrs/week, depending on the year and if I’m training for something. This includes all activity, not just outdoor riding, which admittedly I don’t do that much of in the winter. (That’s why I never sign up for BAFS.) One year, I did a couple weeks at the 20-25 hrs/week level, but there’s no way I can sustain that or fit that in on a regular basis. Maybe after I win the lottery. I tried to train a little more in my first couple years. But lately, I seem to fall into a pattern of 8-13 or 14 hrs/week during my bigger training periods, including active commute time. Sometimes the active commutes make up 1/3 or more of the total active hrs that week.

    #1028795
    hozn
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    @PotomacCyclist 114473 wrote:

    Does that pro ranking chart only include stage racers? I doubt there are anywhere near that many pros who are focusing on the long multi-stage races. Other than the Big Three, I’m not aware of any others that are longer than a week.

    Yeah, I’m not sure. You’re right that if you limit it (as you specified) to the 3 grand tours, the number is certainly smaller. But also more than a few hundred. I was thinking of more general stage racing (despite also saying “grand tour”), and obviously there are lots of multi-day stage races besides the grand tours. And there are lots of mountain bike stage races too. And RAAM. And all sorts of ultra-endurance type events that require the type of training you describe.

    Anyway, even if there are thousands of athletes in the US that would fall into these categories, it is, as you say:

    @PotomacCyclist 114473 wrote:

    … as a percentage of the overall population (including all non-athletes and casual exercisers), that number will be exceedingly small.

    #1028817
    PotomacCyclist
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    Exercise is good. Yoga, which may or may not be defined as exercise, is considered to be beneficial for health. But yoga on MetroRail tracks? Not good.

    http://www.racked.com/2015/4/24/8490627/yoga-stunt-dc-metro-instagram

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Deliberately-Trespassing-on-Live-Metro-Tracks-301168781.html

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