Bridge out on Wayne Andersen Bikeway (IE the trail in 4MR park in Alexandria)

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  • #1114590
    Steve O
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    @lordofthemark 211164 wrote:

    The parallel nature trail in the park is open, but do note that is normally off limits to people on bikes.

    I did not know this. I ride on it all the time. Is there signage?

    #1114595
    Starduster
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    @Steve O 211172 wrote:

    I did not know this. I ride on it all the time. Is there signage?

    As do I. I do not remember *any* “no bike” signage.

    #1114596
    consularrider
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    The couple times I have ridden it since it opened there were no “no bikes” signs. That doesn’t mean they are permitted or that signs aren’t there now. That trail is rather narrow for both bikes and pedestrians, but with the other bridge out, Alexandria should mark it as a permissible detour.

    #1114578
    CaseyKane50
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    There is no signage to indicate that bikes should not use the wetlands trail. However, as noted it is narrow

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    and with the bridge closed between the softball and baseball fields, it will likely be much more crowded. Good trail etiquette would be suggested while using the trail.

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    Meanwhile, the City has indicated that detour signs are scheduled to be put in place.

    #1114591
    Steve O
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    At least there’s a really useful bollard to keep all the cars out.
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    (not scooters and dogs, though, apparently)

    #1114592
    KWL
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    @Steve O 211181 wrote:

    At least there’s a really useful bollard to keep all the cars out.

    I thought of you when that one was installed.

    #1114594
    CaseyKane50
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    @Steve O 211181 wrote:

    At least there’s a really useful bollard to keep all the cars out.

    Well, the bollard didn’t do its job. Just after the trail was finished, a contractor drove his truck on the permeable surface. A section of the trail had to be reinstalled to repair the damagefe26ecf74a36ebbadf13e44b992ccf33.jpg

    #1114568
    mstone
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    @CaseyKane50 211184 wrote:

    Well, the bollard didn’t do its job. Just after the trail was finished, a contractor drove his truck on the permeable surface. A section of the trail had to be reinstalled to repair the damage

    Maybe instead of the useless bollard, they should try better signage. I know, crazy.

    #1114570
    lordofthemark
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    @Starduster 211178 wrote:

    As do I. I do not remember *any* “no bike” signage.

    I seem to recall one when the nature trail opened. I didn’t stop to check on Sunday. I did dismount when passing some pedestrians.

    #1114571
    Steve O
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    @lordofthemark 211187 wrote:

    I did dismount when passing some pedestrians.

    Well, that diminishes the whole value of the marsh they created. When you force them off the trail, it’s more comical as they fall in the mud, and less likely to injure them. Win-win.

    #1114572
    lordofthemark
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    @lordofthemark 211187 wrote:

    I seem to recall one when the nature trail opened. I didn’t stop to check on Sunday. I did dismount when passing some pedestrians.

    @Steve O 211188 wrote:

    Well, that diminishes the whole value of the marsh they created. When you force them off the trail, it’s more comical as they fall in the mud, and less likely to injure them. Win-win.

    I wouldn’t want to introduce an invasive species into the marsh.

    #1114573
    Judd
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    Took a peek at this yesterday. It appears that the decking is reinforced concrete with a layer of asphalt. The hole appears to be the result of the rebar rusting out. It doesn’t look like it’s going to be an easy fix. [emoji853]

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    #1114574
    peterw_diy
    Participant

    @Judd 211190 wrote:

    Took a peek at this yesterday. It appears that the decking is reinforced concrete with a layer of asphalt. The hole appears to be the result of the rebar rusting out. It doesn’t look like it’s going to be an easy fix. [emoji853]

    Rebar rusting out, perhaps aggravated by recreation and police staff driving over that bridge repeatedly? Recreation seems to use full-size trash compaction trucks to collect the bags from the few trash cans between the baseball and soccer fields, and for the past year or more it has been very common for one or more police SUVs to be parked by the elementary school and baseball fields — I expect these are the same officers chasing folks off the trail after 10pm.**

    Initially the damage was just a 6″ hole; see this Alex311 case from May for a photo; I think it’s subsequently been enlarged by staff investigating the problem. The initial hole lined up pretty well with where you’d expect automotive tire tracks. I’m no civil engineer, but the design does not look sufficient for motor vehicles — the internal I beams are very beefy but there’s very little material on top of them. I’m surprised to hear there was rebar, since from my recollection I don’t think the concrete could have been much thicker than rebar. The visible cupping on the bridge suggests that it’s been used (and degraded!) by autos for years; having looked in the hole I’m suprised that it held out as long as it did, considering the deck thickness. There seems virtually no support between the I beams so I imagine the old concrete provided virtually no strength, and merely served as a substrate to hold new asphalt in place while it cooled and hardened — only because of the rebar was that decking able to support autos.

    ISTM the City should just replace the decking with pressure treated lumber and perhaps not cross it with those big trash trucks (not that I’ve ever actually seen that happen). The I beams are close enough together that load shouldn’t be a problem (the sagulator suggests even with I-beams 18″ apart –and I think they’re spaced closer than that– the police should be able to cross safely even if the decking were made of generic 2x6s). A wooden deck would be less expensive to build than asphalt etc, easier to inspect, and might discourage parks staff from using the bridge as a shortcut when picking up 4MR park trash. Traction shouldn’t be a concern since this is straight, short, in the middle of a > 90 degree turn, and with so many pedestrians that nobody should be racing across it.

    ** It seems some APD and RPCA staff consider these trails to be subject to the City ordinance that sets default “park” hours, which would mean use would be forbidden between 10pm and 5am.

    #1114575
    CaseyKane50
    Participant

    Some signage has been installed.5b5c6576bace11ffd24337c65cdbbae0.jpg

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    #1114627
    peterw_diy
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    Yesterday I rode by there for the first time in weeks. The surface of the now closed bridge looks as it has since late May — the damage doesn’t seem any worse, they’ve just closed the bridge, forcing us to use the marsh route, which unfortunately is unlit and feels more cramped than it sometimes does because of foliage overhanging the trail. Anyhow, I wonder why the City closed the bridge entirely after two months of merely keeping people away from the damage. Does anybody know?

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