Bike Fit and Clipless Pedals
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June 28, 2017 at 9:36 pm #919514
Sujiro
ParticipantHi,
I been biking for more than 2 months now. I improved my speed from 5mph to 11mph. However, I been stuck to that average speed for 2 weeks now. And I guess I wont see any improvement soon, so I was wondering if I should get a clipless pedals now. But not sure if my bike will fit that.
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And are bike fits free? I got my bike from Freshbikes.
Thank you
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June 30, 2017 at 3:28 am #1072918
Steve O
ParticipantThe more times you ride up a hill, the smaller it gets. Until you don’t even notice it sometimes. I’ve ridden the Custis probably 2000 times, and there are days I get home and I don’t even recall going up the two sisters.
That said, if you are stopping on the hills, try working on your shifting. Go to your lowest gear and climb the hill real slow with a steady cadence. Don’t worry about your speed; focus on keeping your legs turning at a steady rate. Once it gets too easy (and eventually it will–except for 41st St.), shift up one gear.
June 30, 2017 at 3:35 am #1072920TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantWe can have a “that vs. who” fight, but you won’t win because neither is wrong.
June 30, 2017 at 3:43 am #1072922jrenaut
ParticipantAnother option – ride an Xtracycle with kids on the back all the time. You can borrow mine and my kids any time. Once you do that for a while, riding your regular bike will feel like cheating.
June 30, 2017 at 1:20 pm #1072927huskerdont
Participant@Sujiro 162335 wrote:
I’m tired of being passed by a lot, that’s why I’m thinking if clipless pedals will help me to go faster. But now I’m scared to use the clipless because I’m afraid to fall.
I also feel completely drained after uphills in custis trails after I pedalled up. Do you have any suggestion on this?
Mostly just time on the bike and time on the hills, which you’re doing. If I had a particularly troublesome hill (like 41st St at Chain Bridge), I would just go do hill repeats on it. If you do half a dozen of them, just doing one on the way home becomes a bit easier.
Regarding being passed, no matter how fast you go or fit you are, there will always be people faster and people who will pass you. I just decided at some point that if I compared myself to others, I’d always think poorly of myself, so I try not to.
The falling with clipless pedals, while not fun, is the easiest falling you can do on a bike. You’re usually stopped or very close to it, so you just sort of tonk over sideways. I usually just fell on the meat of my shoulder and had no problem. Harmless enough, provided you don’t fall on a curb or into traffic, of course. Not that I’m recommending falling, but it’s better than a 20 mph wreck.
ETA that I had missed a couple of posts in the thread. If the clipless pedals make you nervous, yeah, maybe try the flat pedals with pins that some are recommending. No reason to add worry to your riding for a minimal benefit.
June 30, 2017 at 3:07 pm #1072935LhasaCM
Participant@jrenaut 162356 wrote:
Another option – ride an Xtracycle with kids on the back all the time. You can borrow mine and my kids any time. Once you do that for a while, riding your regular bike will feel like cheating.
Or, if you’re concerned about riding a different bike/being responsible for someone’s kids – just hook a trailer on with some weight (or groceries if you want to be productive) and call it “resistance training.” I always enjoy that first bit when I’m riding solo and I’ve disconnected the trailercycle.
June 30, 2017 at 6:27 pm #1072943mstone
ParticipantFor people looking for combo flat/spd pedals I’ll put in my usual plug for the Shimano PD-T780. https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-clipless-pedals-Pedal-PD-T780/dp/B00TJ2AVJ0 I find the wider platform more comfortable than the A530s when riding the flat side, they’re built to a higher spec, and all bikes should have reflectors on the pedals if ridden at night.
June 30, 2017 at 8:41 pm #1072950LhasaCM
Participant@mstone 162378 wrote:
For people looking for combo flat/spd pedals I’ll put in my usual plug for the Shimano PD-T780. https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-clipless-pedals-Pedal-PD-T780/dp/B00TJ2AVJ0 I find the wider platform more comfortable than the A530s when riding the flat side, they’re built to a higher spec, and all bikes should have reflectors on the pedals if ridden at night.
I was looking at those once upon a time (in case I ever move on from my large platforms with pins). Are those the earlier version of the PD-T8000 pedals?
June 30, 2017 at 11:04 pm #1072956anomad
ParticipantI like these a lot for MTB. But I don’t think they make them any longer.
July 1, 2017 at 12:52 pm #1072964mstone
Participant@LhasaCM 162385 wrote:
I was looking at those once upon a time (in case I ever move on from my large platforms with pins). Are those the earlier version of the PD-T8000 pedals?
Good catch, looks like Shimano updated them. Maybe I need new pedals (and a new bike to put them on?)
July 1, 2017 at 4:09 pm #1072971Sujiro
Participant@n18 162348 wrote:
Could you post your height and weight?
Without a bike fit, try adjusting seat height, one inch or 3/4 at a time, then measure the time it takes a certain segment. Preferably a segment that is a slow steady uphill. I found that by raising the seat, I got more efficient, up until a certain point, then efficiency drops. So that would be the sweet spot. Also, if you consistently find yourself sliding forward on your seat after cycling for a while, then slide your seat forward. This is assuming that the seat was level to begin with.
I’m 5’4, 153 lbs.
July 6, 2017 at 2:41 pm #1073050rcannon100
ParticipantI just switched out my clipless speedplay frogs for flats. The difference is tremendous.
First – if you concerned about falling – you can generally adjust the clipless pedals to make them easy to unclip. SPDs you can adjust the tension., Speedplay frogs (which I love) have no tension and are so easy to get out of (they also have the most float, which is good for knees).
Will clippless make you faster. I will disagree with some here and say YES clipless will make you faster. It is hard to quantify and I remember when I made my decision to switch – I struggled to find anything that resembled sound empirical evidence. That said, I think you can assume you will gain a gear. A big reason is efficiency. Your pedal is always clipped to your shoe on the downstroke and upstroke. But to me, more importantly, your foot is always in the right position. Hit a bump? Doesnt matter, your foot is always in the correct position. No fumbling. Also, while you could wear a stiff – I dont know – boot – with flats – clipless pedals go with stiff (at your preference) shoes which will transfer all your power into the crank. You gain a lot of efficiency by having that foot fixed to the pedal.
Using flats my foot is bouncing all of the place. I am spending a lot of time repositioning. And in the wrong moment, my foot is now in the wrong position, flexing and not transferring full power into the crank.
Another big difference is control of the bike. With clipless, you have four points of firm control of the bike – two hands, two feet. Clipped to the pedals, you can control the movement and balance of the bike. Hit a bump, and your bike will move with your feet – when you land – your bike will still be under you. With flats, its up to your hands. And your feet can do is pedal. But they dont contribute to control.
Flats with pins are pretty cool. I prefer my speedplay frogs more than anything for the additional control of the bike they give me.
July 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm #1073068Sunyata
Participant@rcannon100 162490 wrote:
I just switched out my clipless speedplay frogs for flats. The difference is tremendous.
First – if you concerned about falling – you can generally adjust the clipless pedals to make them easy to unclip. SPDs you can adjust the tension., Speedplay frogs (which I love) have no tension and are so easy to get out of (they also have the most float, which is good for knees).
Will clippless make you faster. I will disagree with some here and say YES clipless will make you faster. It is hard to quantify and I remember when I made my decision to switch – I struggled to find anything that resembled sound empirical evidence. That said, I think you can assume you will gain a gear. A big reason is efficiency. Your pedal is always clipped to your shoe on the downstroke and upstroke. But to me, more importantly, your foot is always in the right position. Hit a bump? Doesnt matter, your foot is always in the correct position. No fumbling. Also, while you could wear a stiff – I dont know – boot – with flats – clipless pedals go with stiff (at your preference) shoes which will transfer all your power into the crank. You gain a lot of efficiency by having that foot fixed to the pedal.
Using flats my foot is bouncing all of the place. I am spending a lot of time repositioning. And in the wrong moment, my foot is now in the wrong position, flexing and not transferring full power into the crank.
Another big difference is control of the bike. With clipless, you have four points of firm control of the bike – two hands, two feet. Clipped to the pedals, you can control the movement and balance of the bike. Hit a bump, and your bike will move with your feet – when you land – your bike will still be under you. With flats, its up to your hands. And your feet can do is pedal. But they dont contribute to control.
Flats with pins are pretty cool. I prefer my speedplay frogs more than anything for the additional control of the bike they give me.
Sounds like you need better pedals and better shoes. :p
As someone who rides both clipped in and on flats, I feel ZERO difference in efficiency 90% of the time I am riding. The only difference I notice is on a REALLY steep hill. I have tested my speed clipped in versus flats, and it is exactly the same on pavement and gravel (I did this because I got tired of people telling me that I would be faster clipped in). I am faster on flats when mountain biking (this is for different reasons than pedal efficiency, though). My feet never leave the pedals unless I want them to and I can “pull” up similarly to what I would do with clipless (granted, it is more of a scooping motion than pulling up). Shoes made specifically for riding with flat pedals (think 5.10 style shoes) are just as stiff as most mountain bike clipless shoes. The exception, of course, being the ridiculously stiff XC race shoes that cost more than some folk’s bikes.
For the record, I ride Wellgo MG1’s or MG5’s (pedals) and FiveTen Freerider Pro’s (shoes) on flats. I ride Time Allium or XC-8’s (pedals) and Pearl Izumi Launch II’s (shoes) clipped in.
That being said… Everyone should ride what they feel most comfortable in. If clipless works best for you, then YAY! Ride clipless. If riding flats works best for you, then YAY! Ride flats. If you want to learn to use both efficiently and swap between them, then YAY! Ride both.
July 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm #1073076hozn
ParticipantI spent a little time riding flats (with pins) recently. I was riding with Five10 shoes. These really grip tight on flats. I probably would have needed to relearn how to bunnyhop logs, but my feet didn’t move anywhere on those pedals without very explicit instruction. Like Sunyata, I didn’t notice any difference in efficiency, but on a couple of hills forgot that I wasn’t clipped in and pulled up on my foot. Generally riders, even the pros, do not generate any force pulling up, which is why I suggest they won’t make you faster. Probably the exception is when springing — or the steep, out-of-saddle climbing. But having your foot in the right place all the time is valuable. And I would be far more confident mountain biking clipped in.
Also, dedicated road shoes can be very comfortable and light. My Five10 shoes are not comfortable for more than an hour ride, I decided.
So there is a big spectrum here between the cheapo plastic flat pedals and sneakers to full-carbon road shoes with the 3-bolt cleats.
July 7, 2017 at 7:41 pm #1073078rcannon100
ParticipantWhere did you buy your Five Tens?
Hozn which Five Tens do you have? Wood you buy again or diff model?
Are there other shoes to look at?
July 7, 2017 at 8:23 pm #1073079Crickey7
ParticipantEither pedals with pins or clipless, we’re talking pedals with a pretty good amount of connection of rider to bike, which standard platform pedals lack. I had to start doing lots of core exercises because of a back condition a few years back, and I really came to appreciate how a strong core combined with a good connection of bike to rider really allows the rider to make the bike an extension of the rider.
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