Article: Philosophy that pits cars against bikes is finally dying
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July 14, 2016 at 4:08 pm #1055293
lordofthemark
Participant@Crickey7 143095 wrote:
That still seems a thin reed on which to construct a grand conspiracy of VC’ers to sabotage bike infra. I think that to the extent anyone’s pitting one group within cycling against another, it’s authors like this trying to bolster their argument that there is only one correct policy position.
There is not a grand conspiracy in metro DC. AFAICT most of the prominent voices who advocate against most forms of bike infra are not local to the DC region and do not focus on DC.
BTW, what the above article lacked was a sense of humor. You want an anti-VC screed, this is how you do it
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2012/03/right-of-way-take-my-lane-please.html
July 14, 2016 at 4:12 pm #1055294lordofthemark
Participant@rcannon100 143096 wrote:
Just remember that it is a balancing act. We are none of us only cyclists. We have kids who play in parks. We like trees. We even drive cars (not me, but I hear some of you bums do). Maybe schools. Maybe we like ducks and birds and snakes and creepy crawly things.
There is a religion that supporting cycling infrastructure is sacrosanct and opposition is heresy. Rubbish. Sometimes bike stuff gets irrationally supported like a religion, without questioning. Bikes = good. Opponents = bad. That is simplistic and tribalistic.
There are still good decisions and bad decisions. All decisions are cost benefit. All decisions mean some win and some lose.
If you look at the Wash Blvd trail decision – that seems to be a relatively good process. Steve O I think wrote a good piece on the decision making about how many trees would have to be cut down and did that justify the trail. In the end, with a lot of push back from the neighborhood and the community – the trail was redesigned and the environmental impact was mitigated. Environmental concerns mattered. Neighborhood concerns mattered. The trail mattered.
That was a good thing.
And by the same token, the benefit side of bike infra is not only to cyclists, and that sometimes impacts what can get built. See our discussion of the advisory bike lanes in Potomac Greens. There are many places where localities use bike infra as traffic calming. Sometimes that infra appears useless to all but the slowest and/or least confident cyclists – and some of the discussion of the cost benefits among cyclists forgets that pedestrians and others with an interest in traffic calming also benefit.
July 14, 2016 at 8:56 pm #1055315GovernorSilver
ParticipantNews like this makes me feel lucky to live and bike commute in this area, despite the imperfections.
http://www.bicycling.com/culture/advocacy/anti-cyclist-parade-float-incites-anger-debate
July 14, 2016 at 9:20 pm #1055318mstone
Participant@lordofthemark 143089 wrote:
If one WERE opposed to all seg infra, wouldn’t it be a wiser strategy to oppose each seg infra proposal on technical grounds, rather than proclaim an opposition to any seg infra (since who knows what ideal seg infra someone might come up with)? Kind of like even the folks who oppose every transit project never oppose all transit per se.
It’s also hard to separate people with real concerns from the “well, I am a cyclist (this one time 10 years ago) but…” crowd.
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