105 / tiagra / apex?
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May 5, 2013 at 4:54 pm #969286
ebubar
ParticipantI am by no means an expert at component specs. However I am also looking at a better commuter after riding my hybrid for the last few months. Have you considered cyclocross bikes? Several folks on here use them as their all purpose bikes. My research suggests they’re great for all weather/condition riding!
I’ve been testing mainly tiara level stuff (my price range) and it all seems pretty smooth to me. I’m not sure I’d notice the difference since I’m new to the curvy bar bike works and I’m not into racing or that kind of stuff where I think the differences would be more noticeable.
Let us know what you pick out!
May 5, 2013 at 11:34 pm #969290hozn
Participant@Jason 51182 wrote:
Considering a new road bike for commuting purposes. Have so far been using a hybrid, but want to ride more days, having a wet weather/ dry weather bike seems like a good idea. Is Apex worth it over 105? Is the discount you get from tiagra ok, or is it worth stepping up to 105? Bikes I have been looking at are the Giant Defy and the Cannondale Synapse.
Thanks!
(Caveat that my knowledge is a couple years old here; some of these observations may be obsolete.)
Apex should be cheaper than 105. At least last I looked at the grouppos themselves, 105 is close to price of Sram Rival (but Rival weighs less than Ultegra).
I believe a key difference between Tiagra and Apex is that Apex does under-the-bartape shift cable routing. This is aesthetically nicer IMO but also has the advantage of not having cables on front of lights for night riding. 105 has under-tape routing.
I think it is also generally true that Sram’s double tap system requires a bit more finger muscle than Shimano, but I have found that Sram is easier to dial in and shifts “stay clean” longer than my Shimano drivetrains. I chalk it up to the 1:1 cable pull ratio.
If you have big hands you might want to try Sram before you buy. The hoods are smaller. OTOH, if you have small hands, Sram allows you to adjust the brake closer to the bar. I like the ergonomics of my 105 set, but I would buy Sram again since I think it is better value.
You can also get Apex mid-cage derailleurs that allow 32-tooth in the back. That is serious range if you want/need it.
So +1 for Sram from me, though I doubt you will regret either choice.
May 6, 2013 at 12:05 am #969292TwoWheelsDC
Participant@Jason 51182 wrote:
Considering a new road bike for commuting purposes. Have so far been using a hybrid, but want to ride more days, having a wet weather/ dry weather bike seems like a good idea. Is Apex worth it over 105? Is the discount you get from tiagra ok, or is it worth stepping up to 105? Bikes I have been looking at are the Giant Defy and the Cannondale Synapse.
Thanks!
If you were getting something strictly for commuter use, I’d say Tiagra is fine…but for more spirited riding, I think 105 is worth it if money isn’t an issue. Overall performance is negligible (meaning Tiagra isn’t substantially heavier and it’s just as durable as 105), but I find 105 just feels a little crisper than Tiagra and feels slightly more high quality, and the cable routing looks much better. I don’t have any meaningful experience with SRAM, so I won’t even try to weigh in there.
May 6, 2013 at 10:42 am #969304Dirt
ParticipantI don’t have a lot of time on the latest generation of these, but 105 seems to be the nicest of the three. A lot depends on how you like the shifters. Some people don’t like how SRAM Double Tap levers work. I personally find them intuitive and some of the easiest and most comfortable to use. 105 has a better reputation for durability than Tiagra. I don’t have a comparison of Apex on that.
Honestly, I’d test ride the bikes that these are installed on and see which you like best as a whole package.
May 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm #969306mstone
ParticipantAnd remember that next year’s model will always be nicer.
I’d expect 105 to crank it up to 11 in the near future, to distinguish it more from tiagra and apex. As shimano pushes more quality down the chain (next year’s 2300 loses the thumb nub and gets a 30 tooth sprocket option) they also need to make sure they give people reasons to upgrade.
May 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm #969179DismalScientist
ParticipantTiagras have an optical indicator showing in which gear you might be in. This is highly insulting to retrogrouches. I have 105s on my only bike with brifters and they seem fine. They are almost as smooth as my drive train with Suntour racheting bar-end shifters paired with a Cyclone rear derailleur.:rolleyes:
May 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm #969180Dickie
ParticipantI agree with pretty much everything already mentioned. I purchased a cross bike at the end of last year to use as a wet weather/commuter bike. In the price range I was looking at 105 was not available so I chose a bike with Tiagra. Having ridden Campagnolo forever I was a little concerned I would really feel/see the difference but so far I am really happy with the choice, the shifting is better than I expected and easy to dial in. I do find the exposed cabling to be a bit of a nuisance, but that is truly a first world problem. If I had a higher budget I would have gone up to 105 simply because of it’s reputation for longevity and quality, but for what I spent I am quite satisfied. The bonus is that the cash I saved can now go towards my new dream bike fund!
May 6, 2013 at 2:17 pm #969182ebubar
Participant@DismalScientist 51223 wrote:
Tiagras have an optical indicator showing in which gear you might be in. This is highly insulting to retrogrouches. I have 105s on my only bike with brifters and they seem fine. They are almost as smooth as my drive train with Suntour racheting bar-end shifters paired with a Cyclone rear derailleur.:rolleyes:
Sacreligious, I know, but I’ve liked that optical indicator on my test rides… 😮
May 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm #969145bluerider
ParticipantI have a SRAM Apex group on my Blue Norcross. I have no major complaints. Generally, SRAM uses the same features across their groups but uses different materials (ie. weight). I like that Apex uses sealed bearings in the pivot points rather than bushings. The Apex front derailleur could be stiffer and will probably be exchanged soon for Rival or Force. The shifters and crankset are good and reliable, no future plans to change out. The chainrings are all the same between Apex, Rival, and Force. The crank arms are aluminum on Apex and Rival versus carbon for Force and Red. But the crank is relatively stiff and works well. I have changed out the rear derailleur for Force only because it was a crime of opportunity. You need to be ok with the Double Tap SRAM shifting. If you like it, Apex will be fine.
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