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  • #1114839
    CaseyKane50
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    Here is a photo of one of the repairs.

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    #1114845
    consularrider
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    This is what, the third of fourth time those two spots have been “fixed” since the trail was completed just over ten years ago?

    #1114846
    Judd
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    Thanks for all of the advocacy to get this fixed Dan. Looks good from Casey’s picture and I’m looking forward to not grumbling when I ride that part of the trail.

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    #1114847
    Judd
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    @Dan K 211547 wrote:

    Here’s another tip of the cap. In addition to their awesome work this summer in de-landscaping to improve visibility at several “hot corners”, The Friends of the MVT have been painting red warning stripes parallel to the worst of the root heaves along the MVT (from my observation, beginning in OT and northward).

    As users know, the root heaves run the gamut from bone jarring annoyances to genuine hazards for cyclists and runners alike. Giving them at least a bit of visibility is a good thing, and the upcoming projects under their (and NPS) auspices to fix them is most welcome.

    The MVT is in the worst overall shape of the major NOVA trails (e.g., Custis, WOD, 4MR, etc.). It would be so much worse without the efforts of the Friends of the MVT. So to all you good folks — thank you!

    I wish FoMVT could take credit for marking the trail heaves with spray paint. This was done by a trail user on his own. I have met him and he did volunteer with us once.

    We are doing trail bump fixes now and looking forward to fixing as many as we can. https://twitter.com/mtvernonfriends/status/1451951265999691778?s=21

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    #1114848
    JorgeGortex
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    What can we do to put pressure on those in charge of the MVT trail and other areas to get real fixes done in a reasonable amount of time? Riding the MVT is downright dangerous and something I avoid except to get to Haines Point the “easy” way these days. To make matters worse a friend went down hard after hitting a root bump today on the MVT near the Woodrow Wilson Bridge and broke his collar bone. His MIPS helmet saved his head. He’s a very experienced cyclist, so this was a fluke for him, but still.

    There are so many bad spots on the trails that make me think the engineers and foremen that do the construction are clueless. Let me make my rant list:

    1. The turn from 4M trail along Glebe to get on the trail as it goes under W. Glebe and Glebe Rd. Who puts metal fencing on a 90-degree turn on a busy trail?
    2. The new “round-a-bout” at the bottom of the Custis Trail after it goes under 66. The concrete edge is raised in such a way that if you aren’t careful you can catch the sidewall of your tire and nearly go down. Which I’ve nearly done more than once.
    3. That beautiful new bridge over Lee/Langston Blvd that dumps into a busy, narrow trail with people merging or moving from two directions, with limited sightlines from 19th Rd.
    4. The aforementioned MVT Trail, which is so rooted as to be absurd, let alone dangerous.

    Frankly, I am surprised there aren’t more accidents and injuries in these locations. It’s a big reason I mostly avoid the trails anymore… and there is the irony because I now have to keep fingers crossed my smart riding protects me from the distracted idiots in cars.

    JG

    #1114849
    Dan K
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    @Judd 211558 wrote:

    I wish FoMVT could take credit for marking the trail heaves with spray paint. This was done by a trail user on his own. I have met him and he did volunteer with us once.

    We are doing trail bump fixes now and looking forward to fixing as many as we can. https://twitter.com/mtvernonfriends/status/1451951265999691778?s=21

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    Judd: Appreciate you recognizing the anonymous good samaritan who is marking the heaves. So whoever you are — thank you!

    Regarding the upcoming work of the FoMVT, please allow me to nominate what I think might be the currently most dangerous spot: the asphalt right at the north end of the short concrete stretch directly behind the power plant.

    There are several very high root heaves that southbound cyclists encounter at the bottom of a steep downhill stretch that then leads right into an already dangerous blind curve (dangerous enough to warrant the mirror that is thankfully there). The root heaves significantly increase the hazard there.

    Similar to the effort described in my OP regarding 4MR, three years ago I repeatedly badgered NPS to fix this spot. They finally did, but it’s bad again, perhaps even worse. I respectfully suggest you good folks make this spot a priority in your upcoming efforts.

    #1114850
    Dan K
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    @JorgeGortex 211559 wrote:

    What can we do to put pressure on those in charge of the MVT trail and other areas to get real fixes done in a reasonable amount of time?

    JG

    JorgeGortex: I share your frustration.

    NPS is far less responsive than the various localities that govern the other NOVA trails. In fairness, I think this is at least in part due to the fact they they are part of the far, far bigger federal (as opposed to local) bureaucracy and are therefore less resourced, both financially and in terms of manpower. This causes them to generally respond with the same old “humma, humma, wuzza, wuzza” non-answers, non-actions.

    To your question, something I’ve been contemplating is filing formal congressional complaints with Beyer’s office in the House, and with Warner and Kaine in the Senate. I would highlight the overall disgraceful (and therefore dangerous) condition of the MVT relative to the other local trails and ask them to take action with NPS.

    There are some additional “infrastructure” resources out there at the federal level these days. So the more of us who get this on their radar screens, the more chance this squeaky wheel may get some grease.

    #1114851
    Judd
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    @Dan K 211560 wrote:

    Regarding the upcoming work of the FoMVT, please allow me to nominate what I think might be the currently most dangerous spot: the asphalt right at the north end of the short concrete stretch directly behind the power plant.

    There are several very high root heaves that southbound cyclists encounter at the bottom of a steep downhill stretch that then leads right into an already dangerous blind curve (dangerous enough to warrant the mirror that is thankfully there). The root heaves significantly increase the hazard there.

    It just so happens that we are working on that area next week and are in need of a lot of volunteers still. The heaves between the power plant bridge and marina towers are likely going to be cut out and patched which is much more labor intensive than using the concrete planer. Full details and registration are at: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trail-bump-repair-near-marina-towers-tickets-179586075787

    #1114855
    mstone
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    @JorgeGortex 211559 wrote:

    What can we do to put pressure on those in charge of the MVT trail and other areas to get real fixes done in a reasonable amount of time?

    reallocate an itty-bitty portion of the road maintenance budget?

    #1114844
    Dan K
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    @Judd 211562 wrote:

    It just so happens that we are working on that area next week and are in need of a lot of volunteers still. The heaves between the power plant bridge and marina towers are likely going to be cut out and patched which is much more labor intensive than using the concrete planer. Full details and registration are at: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trail-bump-repair-near-marina-towers-tickets-179586075787

    Awesome! I’ll be there. Is it rain or shine?

    #1114859
    Starduster
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    A couple of weeks ago, I rode with #accordioneur on an Arlington 55 + Ride, from Belle Haven to Mt. Vernon. I will testify that stretch has become worse since I last ran it 2 years ago. *Many* root heaves and pavement fall-outs disguised by fallen leaves. No one crashed, I didn’t go down, but still. The need is…obvious. Let me make sure I can commit this weekend… merci!

    #1114858
    Judd
    Participant

    Had to adjust the location for the trail bump work this weekend (Sorry Dan K!) The new work site is going to be at Belle Haven Park. The original location near the power plant bridge is going to require some cutting of roots, which needs to occur when the trees are dormant to reduce injury. The very warm fall means that all of the trees in the area were still very green. I’m looking to reschedule the power plant bridge work in December.

    Hope folks can join us this Saturday to make the trail a little bit better: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trail-bump-repair-near-belle-haven-park-tickets-179586075787

    #1114867
    Rootchopper
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    Although design is certainly a problem in many places, the real problem with the MVT is neglect. The Park Service all but stopped doing routine maintenance on the trail a few years ago. No money, they say. Two huge trees fell along the trail north of the stone bridge. Their root balls tore up the side of the trail. Nothing has been done. The MVT painter has saved my neck any number of times. They also paint potholes and warning arrows.

    I sometimes ride a long wheel base recumbent on the trail. In June I hit a root heave that snapped my fork. My butt has gone airborne a number of times from sequential root heaves, despite the fact that the long wheelbase acts as suspension.

    Volunteer efforts are wonderful as are those by Arlington County and Alexandria City. But the Park Service has surrendered. The MVT is a very low priority. I think it’s time to take a US Senator or two on a trail ride. 34 years ago a senator’s wife was seriously injured on the trail while riding with her husband. She recovered and some funds were allocated to redesign the MV end of the trail. I know 2 other people that crashed in the same place. One was my wife. The redesigned trail isn’t all that much better. I crashed there in 1989. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1987/08/14/ranger-mounts-a-2-wheeler/f8608db4-a8cf-4e84-ae8f-941141d98446/

    #1114868
    Oldtowner
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    Rootchopper is spot on here. NPS used to be much better at maintaining the MVT. They’d even be out there leaf blowing in the fall. A few years ago efforts all but stopped. They do stay on top of the wooden bridges, at least. As for everything else, it’s just been a slow steady decline and has gotten to be dangerous. If only there were a massive infrastructure bill or something to fund ya know, infrastructure..

    #1114869
    consularrider
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    @Oldtowner 211589 wrote:

    Rootchopper is spot on here. NPS used to be much better at maintaining the MVT. They’d even be out there leaf blowing in the fall. A few years ago efforts all but stopped. They do stay on top of the wooden bridges, at least. As for everything else, it’s just been a slow steady decline and has gotten to be dangerous. If only there were a massive infrastructure bill or something to fund ya know, infrastructure..

    Or some billionaires who were concerned about bike infrastructure who might make a sustaining contribution. :rolleyes:

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