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    Henry
    Keymaster

    Update 11/21/18:

    ****PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. **** This is a post to provide a single spot for information regarding Bike Arlington Freezing Saddles (BAFS). I will update this post as needed to keep information current. If you have a question, or think that something needs to be added or changed in this post, PM me please.

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    What is Freezing Saddles, (or BAFS “Bike Arlington Freezing Saddles”)?

    Freezing Saddles is a winter riding competition for bike riders in the general DC area, organized by random people who talk to each other on the Washington Area/ Bike Arlington Bike Forum. While we organize ourselves on the BikeArlington forum, and Bike Arlington has generously donated some sort of prizes in the past, we are not run by BikeArlington. As described by a forum member, BAFS organization

    Originally Posted by Steve O:

    probably most closely resembles organizing a game of freeze tag on the grade-school playground.

    How it works, keeping in mind things can and do change year-to-year during the planning stage:

    Freezing Saddles runs from January 1 through the last full day of winter (1 second before midnight, March 19). We divide people into teams of 10 or so people, striving for competitive parity. Each team is a mix of riders who typically ride enough to qualify as insane, people who ride regularly but like sane people, people who ride occasionally, and people who have never ridden through a winter before. An attempt is made to keep the mix roughly comparable for all the teams so they are approximately evenly matched and everyone has a fair shot at being on a winning team. This is usually botched, but we ask people to fill out a registration form to the best of their ability before each year’s game to create a list of players and your expected or typical mileage. A volunteer for the year then divvies everyone up into teams using combinations of predicted miles, random selection, and sometimes preferences for regional team groupings.

    Usually sometime around Halloween, planning threads pop up on the forum (in the Freezing Saddles subforum; if you’re reading this, you’re already here), where we argue about things like e-bikes, and whether 10 points per day is the right number and other rules minutia. Past rules are subject to change in the yearly planning process. Sometime around Thanksgiving someone usually puts up the registration information. Registration typically closes on Christmas Eve, and/or when we have reached the participation limit. In recent years, we capped the number of players at 250 to try to keep the game and the data collection manageable.

    We use Strava for data collection and team organization, which means that to play, you will need a Strava account and after teams are created, you will need to join your team’s Strava group. You will also need some sort of GPS device or smartphone to track your rides. We no longer count manually entered rides (not because we don’t trust you, they just tended to cause too much data corrective work for the leaderboard techie gurus).

    We use a leaderboard application http://freezingsaddles.com/ developed and maintained by awesome forum member hozn (but being taken on by obscurerichard this year) to report on team and individual points and all kinds of other cool riding metrics with team/individual standings. Plus pictures. Players need to authorize this app to read your Strava data, or Strava rightly will not give us access to it.

    People also offer up “Pointless Prizes”, prizes for whatever kind of random things strikes the fancy of the person offering the prize. These are generally announced on postings in the Freezing Saddles subforum of the BikeArlington Forum.

    We generally have a happy hour near the start of the game to formally announce teams and after the end of the game to hand out prizes. These are fun, but attendance is not mandatory.

    And if you want to promote any of this nonsense on the Twitters or other social mediums, use the hashbrown #BAFS2019.

    Some links to get you started:

    Registration form, and description of the steps to register here.
    Whom to contact for various functions: http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?13903-2019-Freezing-Saddles-Volunteers

    2019 Rules:

    1) Scoring: Some slight changes were made to try to tighten up the Team Competition. These, of course, are again subject to change in future years!!!

    • 10 points for each day of 1 mile+ (same as before)
    • 1 point per mile (same as before)
    • Team contribution per individual capped at 100 miles per week. A week is Monday-Sunday. Partial weeks at beginning and end also have 100 miles cap on team contribution.
    • Individual rankings remain the same with no cap on the individual mileage on scoreboard.
    So the max someone can contribute to their team is 170 points per week. If they miss a day but still ride 100 miles, they get 160 points.

    2) Game runs 00:00:01 January 1 through 23:59:59 March 19 (the last day of winter). All rides starting from January 1 on count, even though teams will not be assigned until the first happy hour (typically, a week or two after that). If you are planning to get a super-early start and be out riding your bike as the year changes, be aware that rides starting *before* midnight will not be counted by the leaderboard. You need to stop your recording device and restart a new ride after midnight for your miles on January 1 to count. Similarly, you will need to end your last ride by 23:59:59 March 19 for it to count.

    3) Trainer rides don’t count. Mark your rides as such or include #NOBAFS in the title to exclude them. Take your bike outside and ride it some distance across the surface of the earth in order to earn points. Manual entries will also not be accepted. This is a change from previous years.

    4) Rides made while travelling out of the area do count. On vacation somewhere warm? Lucky you! Find a bike and ride it for some points. Somewhere extra cold? So, so sorry. Find a bike and ride it for some points!

    5) Rides made on E-assist (but not solely electric/motor powered) bikes do count, except that rides on an Elf do not. See here: Inane E-bike Debate.

    6) Anyone can award a Pointless Prize for anything. Go check out the thread for what people are offering, and feel free to join in and award something yourself. These are typically small fun or cute or symbolic things, not high dollar prizes or anything. But whatever you want! No one will probably argue about you throwing money or new bikes at them if you so desire.)

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  • #1091902
    rcannon100
    Participant

    @Henry 182997 wrote:

    ****PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. ****

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    #1091936
    Henry
    Keymaster

    @rcannon100 183421 wrote:

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    Bob, are you ok?

    #1091965
    cvcalhoun
    Participant

    Hmm, I didn’t notice the rules change to cap points per individual. When and how did that happen? Not objecting, just wondering how I missed it.

    And yes, I’m replying in defiance of the instructions. But last year, I think we had about three pages of replies in the first day. We’re being relatively restrained this year!

    #1091968
    chuxtr
    Participant

    @cvcalhoun 183490 wrote:

    Hmm, I didn’t notice the rules change to cap points per individual. When and how did that happen? Not objecting, just wondering how I missed it.

    Gremlins!

    #1091970
    Henry
    Keymaster

    @cvcalhoun 183490 wrote:

    When and how did that happen?

    Just posted yesterday. A group of us (importantly including the volunteers forming the teams and doing the the back-end coding this year) reviewed the lengthy thread about amending the rules to make the team competition more competitive, and concluded this cap would be the least disruptive way to try to tighten it up a little. Given there is no rules committee nor formal governing body, we made the change so it could be posted before registration went live (which is what everybody is waiting for). This was done with full knowledge that some people might be upset, and we will offer them full refunds on their entry fee if they want.

    Henry

    #1091971
    cvcalhoun
    Participant

    No problem. I am fully in accord with the rule that those who do the work make the rules. I was merely surprised. @Henry 183498 wrote:

    Just posted yesterday. A group of us (importantly including the volunteers forming the teams and doing the the back-end coding this year) reviewed the lengthy thread about amending the rules to make the team competition more competitive, and concluded this cap would be the least disruptive way to try to tighten it up a little. Given there is no rules committee nor formal governing body, we made the change so it could be posted before registration went live (which is what everybody is waiting for). This was done with full knowledge that some people might be upset, and we will offer them full refunds on their entry fee if they want.

    Henry

    #1091981
    rcannon100
    Participant

    @Henry 183498 wrote:

    Just posted yesterday. A group of us (importantly me, myself and I) ignored the lengthy thread about amending the rules to make the team competition more competitively competitive, and concluded we would just make a bunch of crap up. Given there is no rules committee nor formal governing body, we figured we could just do whatever we wanted and you couldn’t do anything about it. This was done specifically to upset some people, and we will offer them free vuvuzillas if they want. We control the root.

    Henry

    Damn. Give Henry a little bit of authority and he goes full Al Haig on us.

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    #1091988
    dbehrend
    Participant

    @Henry 182997 wrote:

    2019 Rules:

    1) Scoring: Some slight changes were made to try to tighten up the Team Competition. These, of course, are again subject to change in future years!!!

    • 10 points for each day of 1 mile+ (same as before)
    • 1 point per mile (same as before)
    • Team contribution per individual capped at 100 miles per week. A week is Monday-Sunday. Partial weeks at beginning and end also have 100 miles cap on team contribution.
    • Individual rankings remain the same with no cap on the individual mileage on scoreboard.
    So the max someone can contribute to their team is 170 points per week. If they miss a day but still ride 100 miles, they get 160 points.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the cap on team contribution plays out. From the results last year, it looks like about 1/3 of riders would have regularly hit the weekly cap.

    Not adding a cap on individual rankings seems like a reasonable compromise. At least that way, riders like Rod, Lynn, Alan, David, and other high-mile riders still get some deserved recognition, even if it doesn’t help their teams.

    #1092025
    ShawnoftheDread
    Participant

    In the past rules have been established through discussion on the forum, not through someone from Bike Arlington deciding things on his own or with a few others. Is this an official Bike Arlington event now?

    #1092026
    Subby
    Participant

    I get what you are trying to accomplish but 100 miles is really low. I could see capping it at 200 maybe but 100 discourages fun team long rides because now you’ve created a situation where team miles aren’t going to count in a lot of cases.

    #1092027
    hozn
    Participant

    To be fair, I don’t think anything has ever actually been decided by people discussing on the forum. Someone just makes an executive decision and some people complain and then everyone moves on.

    While I think this is a bold move, Im glad someone is taking the reins here. And I’m curious to see how this rule plays out. There are tons of pointless prizes that can reward miles in a cap-free way. This team contribution cap seems to strongly encourage daily riding. Seems to be in the spirit of the game.

    #1092033
    ShawnoftheDread
    Participant

    @hozn 183561 wrote:

    To be fair, I don’t think anything has ever actually been decided by people discussing on the forum. Someone just makes an executive decision and some people complain and then everyone moves on.

    While I think this is a bold move, Im glad someone is taking the reins here. And I’m curious to see how this rule plays out. There are tons of pointless prizes that can reward miles in a cap-free way. This team contribution cap seems to strongly encourage daily riding. Seems to be in the spirit of the game.

    It encourages daily riding by limiting many of us to three days of contribution a week? Interesting theory.

    #1092035
    hozn
    Participant

    @ShawnoftheDread 183566 wrote:

    It encourages daily riding by limiting many of us to three days of contribution a week? Interesting theory.

    100 miles, but 10 points per day. It definitely encourages daily riding, yes.

    In case this isn’t clear.

    3 days, 100 miles = 130 points
    7 days 100 miles = 170 points

    #1092036
    rcannon100
    Participant

    @hozn 183561 wrote:

    To be fair, I don’t think anything has ever actually been decided by people discussing on the forum. Someone just makes an executive decision and some people complain and then everyone moves on.

    I attempted to establish consensus driven governance. Which I admit is hard, especially for people not used to it. In the beginning it did work. Some people screamed about all the varying opinions … but consensus could be identified and the discussion did move forward.

    I do admit that it did devolve into bickering as sport. Part of that was because of some inexperience with consensus driven process. Consensus driven process – once it has momentum – has as part of the process that the decisions dont get changed unless there is consensus to do so. Certain people took to making shit up – which resulted in a lot of bickering – and degraded the process. Whatever.

    One assumption was that this was an experience based on the community – that no one was in charge. This was both good – and a trick. If no one is in charge, no one can get sued. Of course, once someone asserts themselves as in charge….. and makes decisions…. well…. its just better to avoid being in charge and needing to consult your attorney to ensure that you are not at risk of liability.

    As for the decision at issue, I will say – I think Subby is right.

    #1092037
    ShawnoftheDread
    Participant

    @hozn 183568 wrote:

    100 miles, but 10 points per day. It definitely encourages daily riding, yes.

    In case this isn’t clear.

    3 days, 100 miles = 130 points
    7 days 100 miles = 170 points

    Ah, by “encourages daily riding” you meant “encourages lots of sleaze rides.”

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