New commute next month to Pentagon City – route options?
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December 21, 2016 at 1:33 am #1061987
KLizotte
ParticipantThis is my commute through the area so, yes, you can cut through Columbia Island to Boundary Channel Drive.
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December 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm #1062016DrP
ParticipantThank you! It seemed silly that one couldn’t get from Boundary channel drive to the south lot, but the route making pages I was using wouldn’t let me, so I thought perhaps there was some kind of limited access there.
Perhaps it is due to where you are coming from, but does one have to go out to Columbia Pike and Joyce, or is Eads or Fern possible? Or are they insane on a bike due to those metal boxes with people inside looking at their phones?
I will try it tomorrow.
December 21, 2016 at 5:01 pm #1062018LeprosyStudyGroup
Participant@DrP 150726 wrote:
Thank you! It seemed silly that one couldn’t get from Boundary channel drive to the south lot, but the route making pages I was using wouldn’t let me, so I thought perhaps there was some kind of limited access there.
Perhaps it is due to where you are coming from, but does one have to go out to Columbia Pike and Joyce, or is Eads or Fern possible? Or are they insane on a bike due to those metal boxes with people inside looking at their phones?
I will try it tomorrow.
Fern street exit from the pentagon is okish in my opinion. When I used to go that way I would take the left lane when going under 395 till the intersection of 12th where things get busy with parking cars/doors and people rushing past you on that block with the Cosco parkinglot.
Exiting the pentagon directly on Eads feels real dangerous because it is much busier and has more bus traffic, and I think no sidewalk in some places.
A bit further west in the pentagon parking lot there is a small pedestrian access tunnel that crosses under 395 and lets you out across Army Navy from that little used street between the Pentagon Mall parking structure and the Pentagon Row shopping area. It’s a nice shortcut, but you have to walk your bike in the tunnel – I’ve been threatened with a ticket for even 1 foot stand/coasting through there during morning rush hour.
December 21, 2016 at 5:02 pm #1062019DismalScientist
ParticipantBoth Eads and Fern go through under 395, but Fern is probably more friendly.
My alternative eastbound is crossing Arlington on 7th St S and bombing down Columbia Pike.
https://www.strava.com/activities/781679698
(You can cross from the Pike at Joyce or Fern from the south parking lot.)Coming back you can take Southgate to Orme to avoid a large, but easier part of the pike. You are still stuck on the pike from Orme to Courthouse.
Another alternative is to take Army Navy and go through the Golf Course and cut over to the WOD on 16th (at roughly George Mason). This way is hilly.
December 21, 2016 at 5:14 pm #1062020KLizotte
Participant@DrP 150726 wrote:
Thank you! It seemed silly that one couldn’t get from Boundary channel drive to the south lot, but the route making pages I was using wouldn’t let me, so I thought perhaps there was some kind of limited access there.
Perhaps it is due to where you are coming from, but does one have to go out to Columbia Pike and Joyce, or is Eads or Fern possible? Or are they insane on a bike due to those metal boxes with people inside looking at their phones?
I will try it tomorrow.
For some reason Google maps has a really hard time with the Connector Road heading west/south; it seems to think Connector Rd is a one way (which it is not) so it will try to divert you. You will just have to ignore Google on this one. I forgot about Google’s goofiness until you mentioned it just now; it drives me batty when I use RideWithGPS.
I live on South Joyce Street therefore that is the why I chose that route. If I’m tired or in a hurry I will cheat and use the ped tunnel under 395 that LeprosyStudyGroup mentions (you do have to walk there). I do not advise riding along Army Navy Drive in PC until you get west of S Joyce Street, then it is cyclist friendly. I’ve always been fine cutting across Army Navy Drive from the Pentagon if I’m heading to Whole Foods or elsewhere; just make sure all the traffic has stopped before you cross four lanes of traffic.
December 21, 2016 at 5:29 pm #1062022lordofthemark
Participant@DrP 150726 wrote:
Perhaps it is due to where you are coming from, but does one have to go out to Columbia Pike and Joyce, or is Eads or Fern possible? Or are they insane on a bike due to those metal boxes with people inside looking at their phones?
True story.
Freezing Saddles opening happy hour, two years ago, was at Capital City Brewing in Shirlington. The convoy from DC met at the Jefferson. Somehow I was the only NoVa person present, and was selected to lead it, despite never having led a group ride of any kind before. Now I had ridden through the Johnson Grove many times before, to the Pentagon bus station. I had also ridden on Fern and Eads in Pentagon City. But I had only ridden south under I395 on Fern once – during the day, on a quiet weekend.
I led my flock through the Pentagon parking lots, and I am sure many of them considered me quite insane – needless to say it was a lot less comfortable in the dark, at rush hour. I also felt like if I had known I would be leading, I would have wanted to have test ridden that before.
btW – KLizotte – IIRC you have expressed dissatisfaction with the connection on Diagonal from the Commonwealth bike lanes to Prince Street in Old Town. I can report that that issue came up at Monday’s BPAC meeting, in the context of discussion of the soon to be striped Prince and Cameron lanes. I am not sure if there are any plans for Diagonal (we moved on fairly quickly) but people are aware that this is a gap in the network, and a particularly uncomfortable one.
December 21, 2016 at 6:09 pm #1062030KLizotte
Participant@lordofthemark 150732 wrote:
True story.
Freezing Saddles opening happy hour, two years ago, was at Capital City Brewing in Shirlington. The convoy from DC met at the Jefferson. Somehow I was the only NoVa person present, and was selected to lead it, despite never having led a group ride of any kind before. Now I had ridden through the Johnson Grove many times before, to the Pentagon bus station. I had also ridden on Fern and Eads in Pentagon City. But I had only ridden south under I395 on Fern once – during the day, on a quiet weekend.
I led my flock through the Pentagon parking lots, and I am sure many of them considered me quite insane – needless to say it was a lot less comfortable in the dark, at rush hour. I also felt like if I had known I would be leading, I would have wanted to have test ridden that before.
btW – KLizotte – IIRC you have expressed dissatisfaction with the connection on Diagonal from the Commonwealth bike lanes to Prince Street in Old Town. I can report that that issue came up at Monday’s BPAC meeting, in the context of discussion of the soon to be striped Prince and Cameron lanes. I am not sure if there are any plans for Diagonal (we moved on fairly quickly) but people are aware that this is a gap in the network, and a particularly uncomfortable one.
Hmmmm….I don’t think it was me since I don’t use Diagonal plus it doesn’t connect with Commonwealth or Prince. Perhaps you mean Daingerfield Rd which connects the two. That section could be more bike friendly; doesn’t bother me but I could see how it could be intimidating to novice cyclists. My biggest pet peeve is the traffic light at Prince and Daingerfield does not recognize bikes if you are coming down the Prince St spur from Reinekers so you may have to sit a long time till a car triggers it from either side.
Traffic on the Pentagon Reservation is usually very well behaved due to the dominant police presence; occasionally you get a lost tourist who does a crazy Ivan or isn’t entirely looking where they are driving but the area is far safer than it looks. I expect that someday the Pentagon will close the reservation to the public but am very grateful that it is open for now.
December 21, 2016 at 6:13 pm #1062033lordofthemark
ParticipantYeah, Daingerfield, not Diagonal (brain freeze).
December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm #1062035DrP
ParticipantThank you all for the suggested routes and descriptions both through the Pentagon reservation and going through Arlington not on Columbia Pike. I have mostly stuck to the trails and the Wilson/Clarendon/Fairfax corridor and Williamsburg (one needs hills sometimes), so hearing about the others is helpful. I will test more routes out. I have some time before I need them for real and having options is good, especially as winter and snow starts (I do know about the Custis-Ft Myers/Lynn – Meade – around the cemetery – Washington Blvd – Boundary Channel route (continuing to CC) in case of snow since I tried that last year when the MVT was unplowed).
December 22, 2016 at 4:04 pm #1062063DrP
ParticipantToday I tried the route through the Johnson Grove and then Fern out of the Pentagon reservation, although I did take the sidewalk until I crossed Army Navy (pissing off some truck drivers who wanted to turn NOW and a damn cyclist should not have the right to go through such an intersection). That worked well and was similar in time – and generally nicer. I did miss the turn to Fern at first (cars and it looked like it was a cut through for buses) and found the pedestrian tunnel mentioned, but I went back to Fern. Next time would be just fine. (There are a LOT of police cars there. Wow. I hadn’t noticed that on other trips there.)
I tried the return of Columbia Pike to Courthouse to 8th (and 7th and 8th and 9th, as needed) to W&OD. Since I took the sidewalk on Columbia Pike (that is a really narrow road and folks really want you to go their speed), I was likely slower than one would expect (same amount of time to get home as Army Navy to 28th to Meade to 4MR). It was hillier than I expected, but it was nice to see some other neighborhoods. However, unless that tends to be plowed more than trails or I really needed a change, I am unlikely to use that route. But it is good to know how to do that route.
Thank you all. I now have a couple of routes and know about how long it will take me to get to my future office.
December 22, 2016 at 4:58 pm #1062069KLizotte
ParticipantIf you are going to Crystal City why not stay on Boundary Channel Drive and then pick up Long Bridge Drive? You then skip Army Navy drive altogether.
December 22, 2016 at 5:27 pm #1062072DrP
Participant@KLizotte 150782 wrote:
If you are going to Crystal City why not stay on Boundary Channel Drive and then pick up Long Bridge Drive? You then skip Army Navy drive altogether.
Apologies if I was confusing. In the past I was commuting to Crystal City, so I am familiar with Boundary Channel Dr to Long Bridge Dr and thus familiar with routes getting me to Boundary Channel Dr. Getting from Boundary Channel Dr to Pentagon City is what I wasn’t familiar with. Your response showed me how to do that and it worked today.
December 22, 2016 at 8:44 pm #1062090KLizotte
Participant@DrP 150785 wrote:
Apologies if I was confusing. In the past I was commuting to Crystal City, so I am familiar with Boundary Channel Dr to Long Bridge Dr and thus familiar with routes getting me to Boundary Channel Dr. Getting from Boundary Channel Dr to Pentagon City is what I wasn’t familiar with. Your response showed me how to do that and it worked today.
Cool beans! FYI: Whole Foods in PC has nice underground parking.
December 22, 2016 at 10:05 pm #1062099Steve O
Participant@KLizotte 150804 wrote:
FYI: Whole Foods in PC has nice underground parking.
And a Thursday coffee club.
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