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  • #1046742
    Tim Kelley
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    @huskerdont 133829 wrote:

    Anyone riding the Monster Cross in Chesterfield later this month? If you’ve ridden it before and you are a mere mortal like me, about how long should a newb expect the 50-mile event to take?

    I’ll likely be on a Bianchi CX, but will bring the mountain bike along in case conditions might warrant a slower but more stable pig. If I’m barking up the wrong tree there, advice appreciated. I’ve watched the videos and see people using both types of bikes, but nothing looks bad enough to really need a mountain bike–unless it snows, I guess.

    Neither bike will be the right the choice. The CX will be faster in some places and the mtb will be able to plow right through other parts.

    In 2014 I was pushing pretty hard but didn’t break 3:00 hours.

    In 2015 someone else was pushing pretty hard and we did about 3:25

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    #1046745
    huskerdont
    Participant

    @Tim Kelley 133832 wrote:

    Neither bike will be the right the choice. The CX will be faster in some places and the mtb will be able to plow right through other parts.

    In 2014 I was pushing pretty hard but didn’t break 3:00 hours.

    In 2015 someone else was pushing pretty hard and we did about 3:25

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    Thanks, that’s quite helpful on the time. I figured 4 hours tops. This time of year, even though I ride every weekday and some weekends, I’m not used to 50-mile rides.

    #1046750
    Tim Kelley
    Participant

    @huskerdont 133835 wrote:

    Thanks, that’s quite helpful on the time. I figured 4 hours tops. This time of year, even though I ride every weekday and some weekends, I’m not used to 50-mile rides.

    Look me up on Strava if you want to analysis the two efforts.

    My piece of advice is to absolutely make sure to top up your camelback and refresh your water bottles after your first loop. You might be tempted to think you can make it, but when you don’t those last 10 or 15 miles can be brutal.

    #1046774
    Tania
    Participant

    There are a bunch of us doing it. I’m in an “either” category so bringing the warbird and mtb.

    #1046781
    consularrider
    Participant

    What are the current snow conditions in the woods? Lots of warm weather over the next two week withs a thunderstorm mid-week, rain next weekend, and freezing overnight temperatures. Sounds like that should hold the moisture in the soil and make for some sloppy conditions again this year.

    #1046782
    Bilsko
    Participant

    I’m registered and will be riding the fixed gear CX setup. Tires will be either Clement MSO (40s) or WTB Nanos if its really mucked up. 39×17 gearing will mean a bit of walking on climbs and more technical sections (same as for Hilly Billy Roubaix last year). Looking forward to it!

    #1046783
    consularrider
    Participant

    @Tania 133865 wrote:

    There are a bunch of us doing it. I’m in an “either” category so bringing the warbird and mtb.

    I was on my Rove last year and this was my only my second real off road event. I’m slow and finished the shortened course, 40 miles (missed a five mile loop after the first circuit) in just under 4 hours. I had 700×33 Clement PDX tires and they handled the sloppy sections well.

    #1046786
    huskerdont
    Participant

    Thanks to all. Looks like I’ll stick with my loose plan. Will bring the Camelback and both bikes, use the bike that seems to work with the conditions that day, with preference for the CX if possible. (Have not been there so didn’t realize there were hills.) Figuring on four hours tops, though I’m getting on in years so who knows. Really looking forward to it.

    #1046789
    vvill
    Participant

    I rode last year on a geared CX bike, which was fine. It’s not technical at all, with only moderate climbing (~2500-3000ft over the 50 miler) though obviously the off-road terrain will sap your power. Probably the hardest bits to ride through were the longer mud sections but it was nothing compared to say, Hilly Billy Roubaix. I think I had a PDX up front, and some sort of skinnier file tread in the rear.

    I screwed up my pacing/nutrition/hydration and blew up after the first lap. Part of it I blame on my Garmin (which froze and wouldn’t start up) which led me to guestimate how many miles I’d done based on feel and as a newb to longer offroad events, I was way off… I almost quit when I realized I’d only done one lap. My first lap (excluding the lollipop between the two laps) was about 100 mins, the second was almost 2.5 hrs (and you lose minutes at the start of the first lap as the crowds of riders filter out). I remember not even smiling when my team mates cheered me home.

    I signed up for SSCX this year. Easier to pace myself, less much to clean, and around 1.5kgs lighter than my geared bike. I’ll be on the stock 50/22 gearing and content with anything sub-4:30 after last year’s debacle. Sub-4:00 I imagine I could do if I had a good day and good prep. Will probably run the same tires as last year.

    If the weather turns up a super muddy course I’d consider switching to MTB, but I’ve never gone fast on that and it’d be more just a long, slow ride.

    This is the main steep (not long) climb I remember. Won’t be surprised if I end up walking it.
    https://www.strava.com/segments/3452071

    #1046793
    huskerdont
    Participant

    @vvill 133882 wrote:

    I rode last year on a geared CX bike, which was fine. It’s not technical at all, with only moderate climbing (~2500-3000ft over the 50 miler) though obviously the off-road terrain will sap your power. Probably the hardest bits to ride through were the longer mud sections but it was nothing compared to say, Hilly Billy Roubaix. I think I had a PDX up front, and some sort of skinnier file tread in the rear.

    I screwed up my pacing/nutrition/hydration and blew up after the first lap. Part of it I blame on my Garmin (which froze and wouldn’t start up) which led me to guestimate how many miles I’d done based on feel and as a newb to longer offroad events, I was way off… I almost quit when I realized I’d only done one lap. My first lap (excluding the lollipop between the two laps) was about 100 mins, the second was almost 2.5 hrs (and you lose minutes at the start of the first lap as the crowds of riders filter out). I remember not even smiling when my team mates cheered me home.

    I signed up for SSCX this year. Easier to pace myself, less much to clean, and around 1.5kgs lighter than my geared bike. I’ll be on the stock 50/22 gearing and content with anything sub-4:30 after last year’s debacle. Sub-4:00 I imagine I could do if I had a good day and good prep. Will probably run the same tires as last year.

    If the weather turns up a super muddy course I’d consider switching to MTB, but I’ve never gone fast on that and it’d be more just a long, slow ride.

    This is the main steep (not long) climb I remember. Won’t be surprised if I end up walking it.
    https://www.strava.com/segments/3452071

    SSCX would be fun, but my single speeds are a Fuji Feather and a 1965 Schwinn Varsity, so choices are geared CX or geared MB. Maybe I need a 7th bike. I think I need a 7th bike.

    #1046880
    Sunyata
    Participant

    This will be my fourth time doing the race (I have done it every year but last year due to the date change and surgery). I have only done it on a hard tail mountain bike. Unfortunately, the one time I tried for the 50, someone crashed and needed medical assistance, so I got waylaid due to that for over and hour and finished after 5 hours (but was not last, so I was happy).

    I completed the short course twice, and was sub 2 hours each time for that. I expect to finish between 4 and 4.5 hours this year for the 50. I will probably keep my regular, fairly aggressive MTB tires on the bike, but I do have a rigid fork this year, which I am hoping will make for an easier time up the two “big” climbs. If for some strange reason, things dry out, I may put cross tires on the bike. But somehow, I doubt that is going to happen.

    I am pretty slow, so if I can hope to finish around 4 hours, then most anyone can do it too. :)

    #1046892
    huskerdont
    Participant

    @Sunyata 133977 wrote:

    This will be my fourth time doing the race (I have done it every year but last year due to the date change and surgery). I have only done it on a hard tail mountain bike. Unfortunately, the one time I tried for the 50, someone crashed and needed medical assistance, so I got waylaid due to that for over and hour and finished after 5 hours (but was not last, so I was happy).

    I completed the short course twice, and was sub 2 hours each time for that. I expect to finish between 4 and 4.5 hours this year for the 50. I will probably keep my regular, fairly aggressive MTB tires on the bike, but I do have a rigid fork this year, which I am hoping will make for an easier time up the two “big” climbs. If for some strange reason, things dry out, I may put cross tires on the bike. But somehow, I doubt that is going to happen.

    I am pretty slow, so if I can hope to finish around 4 hours, then most anyone can do it too. :)

    So from your experience, you seem to feel that a mountain bike with MB tires is warranted. This makes me wonder. The videos don’t seem to show too much that a CX bike couldn’t handle, but I’m not as comfortable on my CX bike as I am on my MB. (For one thing, it’s probably a bit too large for me for trail riding, and for another, the steering is squirrely by comparison.) I’ll have both bikes so can make the decision on the day; luckily I’m old enough to be in the category that just lumps them all together so I can switch as needed.

    #1046902
    vvill
    Participant

    @huskerdont 133886 wrote:

    SSCX would be fun, but my single speeds are a Fuji Feather and a 1965 Schwinn Varsity, so choices are geared CX or geared MB. Maybe I need a 7th bike. I think I need a 7th bike.

    I bought my SSCX last year, as my 8th bike! :)

    #1046923
    Sunyata
    Participant

    @huskerdont 133989 wrote:

    So from your experience, you seem to feel that a mountain bike with MB tires is warranted. This makes me wonder. The videos don’t seem to show too much that a CX bike couldn’t handle, but I’m not as comfortable on my CX bike as I am on my MB. (For one thing, it’s probably a bit too large for me for trail riding, and for another, the steering is squirrely by comparison.) I’ll have both bikes so can make the decision on the day; luckily I’m old enough to be in the category that just lumps them all together so I can switch as needed.

    Well… I would not say that I feel that it is more warranted than a cross/gravel bike… But that is the only bike I own that will work for this style of race (I have a commuter, SS MTB, FS MTB, road bike, and my hard tail-which is now a full rigid MTB). Once I buy a gravel bike, I will probably ride that (notice I said gravel bike, not a cross bike).

    But this course, like any ultracross style race, is going to have sections that work better with a mountain bike and some sections that work better with a gravel bike. In my opinion, ride the bike that is going to be most comfortable for you. If you feel more comfortable on your MTB, ride that. I would hate to be on a bike that felt squirrely or was too big for 50 miles of (probably) cold, off-road riding. If you want the advantage of lower rolling resistance, throw some cross tires (I would definitely opt for mud shedding tires) on your mountain bike.

    #1046927
    Tim Kelley
    Participant

    Another word of advice I just thought of: as you get towards the end of the loop before you hit the longest uphill to the paved roads/parking lot, there is a steep downhill with a short and shallow but rocky creek crossing. You can get up quite a bit of speed–I saw a number of people with CX bikes with single or double flats there. The MTB you can just roll right though.

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