Article: "Riding an Electric Bike is NOT Cheating. Here’s the Data to Prove It."
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January 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm #1045563
DismalScientist
ParticipantHow does this article show that it is not cheating? It says that he goes 50% more miles with the same effort. Just because he (and perhaps he is in a distinct minority) tends to put out the same instantaneous effort (i.e. at any given moment) whether riding a regular or e-bike, this does not mean that a ride of a given distance does not require more overall effort on a regular bike.
January 19, 2016 at 3:43 pm #1045565sjclaeys
Participant@DismalScientist 132591 wrote:
How does this article show that it is not cheating? It says that he goes 50% more miles with the same effort. Just because he (and perhaps he is in a distinct minority) tends to put out the same instantaneous effort (i.e. at any given moment) whether riding a regular or e-bike, this does not mean that a ride of a given distance does not require more overall effort on a regular bike.
What he says. Also, I highly doubt that the guy on the ebike who zipped past me on the 14th Street bridge this morning while I was fighting against the wind was putting out the same power as I was. At least this time he was kind enough to call his pass.
January 19, 2016 at 3:49 pm #1045566lordofthemark
ParticipantWhat does cheating mean in the context of a commute?
January 19, 2016 at 3:50 pm #1045567dasgeh
Participant@DismalScientist 132591 wrote:
How does this article show that it is not cheating? It says that he goes 50% more miles with the same effort. Just because he (and perhaps he is in a distinct minority) tends to put out the same instantaneous effort (i.e. at any given moment) whether riding a regular or e-bike, this does not mean that a ride of a given distance does not require more overall effort on a regular bike.
It’s all BS. If going faster or farther with the same effort is cheating, then Tim Kelley is cheating every time he gets on a bike. Ben King is cheating more.
January 19, 2016 at 4:07 pm #1045571DismalScientist
Participant@lordofthemark 132594 wrote:
What does cheating mean in the context of a commute?
It means you can get to work in one third less time and with one third less overall physical effort.
January 19, 2016 at 4:09 pm #1045575DismalScientist
Participant@dasgeh 132595 wrote:
It’s all BS. If going faster or farther with the same effort is cheating, then Tim Kelley is cheating every time he gets on a bike. Ben King is cheating more.
All winners of physical contests are cheaters by definition? It’s a brave new world we are entering.:rolleyes:
January 19, 2016 at 4:10 pm #1045576consularrider
Participant@DismalScientist 132600 wrote:
It means you can get to work in one third less time and with one third less overall physical effort.
And that’s “cheating” how [unless of course you really don’t want to get to work in any big hurry]?
January 19, 2016 at 4:11 pm #1045577consularrider
Participant@DismalScientist 132604 wrote:
All winners of physical contests are cheaters by definition? It’s a brave new world we are entering.:rolleyes:
So, you gotta love handicapped thoroughbred horse racing? :p
January 19, 2016 at 4:14 pm #1045578huskerdont
ParticipantIt’s cheating if you call it a bike; it’s not cheating if you call it a moped.
Or whatever.
Depends on my mood.
January 19, 2016 at 4:15 pm #1045579lordofthemark
Participant@DismalScientist 132600 wrote:
It means you can get to work in one third less time and with one third less overall physical effort.
So everyone who is bike commuting on anything other than a youth sized Road Master Ultra Terrain Extreme is cheating?
January 19, 2016 at 4:16 pm #1045580TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantHis average watts may be the same, but his total work in kJ is going to be quite a bit lower for a given ride on the ebike, simply because he gets to his destination much quicker.
So if my math is right…on the ebike the ride = 176W (average power) x 1.8 (hours on ebike) = ~1140kJ total work. On the Cervelo, that number is 177W x 2.61 hours, which = 1663kJ. So almost 50% more work for a ride of the same intensity over the same distance. That’s a significant boost he’s getting from the electric motor. Obviously not “cheating”, but he seems to think that he’s getting the same workout since he’s doing the same intensity, which is absolutely false.
January 19, 2016 at 4:21 pm #1045582DismalScientist
Participant@consularrider 132605 wrote:
And that’s “cheating” how [unless of course you really don’t want to get to work in any big hurry]?
It’s “cheating” if your commute is simultaneously counting for mileage in a winter cycling challenge based on mileage.:rolleyes:
Furthermore, it’s “cheating” if you simultaneously claim that you are working as hard as a rider on a regular bicycle.
None of this constitutes a criticism of e-bikes.
January 19, 2016 at 4:25 pm #1045584DismalScientist
Participant@lordofthemark 132608 wrote:
So everyone who is bike commuting on anything other than a youth sized Road Master Ultra Terrain Extreme is cheating?
Of course not. Anyone riding a bike that better than MY bike is cheating.:rolleyes:
January 19, 2016 at 5:31 pm #1045593wheelswings
ParticipantBicycle commuting spans a huge range in terms of effort per mile, with an unloaded, un-pedaled e-assist bike near one end and perhaps Rod’s extreme cargo rides on the other. Nobody calls higher-end road bikes and racing bikes “cheaters” and yet I expect they are advantageous for long distances. My bike is on the heavier end (30 lb mountain trek), though I hope to acquire a bike that’s more toward the fast side of the spectrum when my office moves north next month. I’d agree with the author that you can get a good workout on anything. But it’s not an even playing field. Bicycle commuting was never meant to be.
January 19, 2016 at 6:30 pm #1045602Steve O
Participant@wheels&wings 132622 wrote:
Bicycle commuting was never meant to be.
Don’t let Courtland Milloy get a hold of that quote out of context.
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