Getting off-road on a cross bike
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August 29, 2015 at 9:54 pm #1036710
trailrunner
ParticipantI ride my cross bike a lot at Laurel Hills. The trails there are gravel and dirt single track, but are not technical enough to justify a full mountain bike (IMO), and flow pretty well on a cross bike.
August 29, 2015 at 11:39 pm #1036711hozn
ParticipantLake Fairfax is great. Rode through twice (commute) on the ‘cross bike yesterday.
August 30, 2015 at 12:25 am #1036712gtmandsager
ParticipantI’m also going to ask about those Grails (tubeless?), but one step at a time…
August 30, 2015 at 12:27 am #1036713gtmandsager
ParticipantIt looks like there’s dirt loop that you can go from the W&OD up the CCT, over to lake fairfax and south again to the W&OD
August 30, 2015 at 1:25 am #1036714dkel
ParticipantMuch of the Cross County Trail is gravelly goodness. I had a couple of weeks of commuting from Accotink up to Merrifield, and thought it was fantastic. A few paved segments mixed in, but lots of gravel. My CX bike and I both highly recommend it.
August 30, 2015 at 2:31 am #1036716hozn
Participant@gtmandsager 123087 wrote:
It looks like there’s dirt loop that you can go from the W&OD up the CCT, over to lake fairfax and south again to the W&OD
Yeah, this is the commute detour I take when conditions are good. The most direct route adds 6ish miles and 30 minutes to the overall commute. The part that starts with the CCT through Tamarack park from W&OD up to RT 7 does not drain well so it is probably only these past couple weeks that it has fully dried out. The part to west of the CCT that these trails connect to are part of the Lake Fairfax trail system and are much better draining and generally more technical (and more fun) trails. You can enter the Lake Fairfax trails at the Skatequest ice rink. (And other places.) Definitely rideable on CX, but you’ll have to exercise some caution. Smaller the tire, the more caution. With the 42mm tires I have now I can bomb through at close to mtb speeds (I had some PRs or 2nd bests coming home on Friday, compared to my MTB times). With smaller tires I have usually flatted when I try to keep up with mountain bikes.
August 30, 2015 at 2:40 am #1036718hozn
Participant@gtmandsager 123086 wrote:
I’m also going to ask about those Grails (tubeless?), but one step at a time…
Yeah, those are Grails. In the picture the 42mm Specialized Trigger tires are not setup tubeless; I couldn’t get these non-tubeless-ready & wire-bead tires to seat with a floor pump so I gave up. I just ordered a set of 38mm 2bliss Triggers, though, and will replace these when those arrive. I much prefer running tubeless. To not pinch flat my current tires I have to stay around 40psi, and even then have to be a bit careful. I have had great luck with 32mm Kenda Kommando tubeless (“SCT”) tires, but the Triggers roll so fast on pavement that it doesn’t feel like a slog riding to the dirt.
I can’t recommend the Grails enough; they are really nice rims. I particularly like building with them too — they just build up so easily and build/finish quality of rim is top-notch.
I used to run Crest rims, which also worked great.
August 30, 2015 at 8:51 pm #1036727TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantI rode from the skating rink to Lake Fairfax, then to Great Falls via Colvin Run/Difficult Run today. I’d say a good 85% of that could be ridden on a CX bike if you have decent handling skills. Between LF and GF, it’s mostly singletrack, with a few root-y climbs and some rocky and sandy areas on the stream banks. I then rode into Great Falls park along Difficult Run and was surprised at the nice gravel paths/service roads in the park, which were definitely passable on a CX bike. Some surprisingly wicked climbs in there too. I would’ve spent more time in there, but I took a wrong turn and got dumped back onto Georgetown Pike and just decided to head back.
The nice thing about Lake Fairfax, and why it’ll probably become my go-to ride, is it’s easily Metro accessible if you don’t feel like riding all the way out there and all the way back.
August 30, 2015 at 10:45 pm #1036706hozn
Participant@TwoWheelsDC 123101 wrote:
I rode from the skating rink to Lake Fairfax, then to Great Falls via Colvin Run/Difficult Run today. I’d say a good 85% of that could be ridden on a CX bike if you have decent handling skills.
That stuff is all rideable (I don’t have great handling skills — not by mtb standards, anyway), but definitely some sections where you have to pick your line carefully.
The more technical (and newer) trails are the ones that go along the lake from the campground. (So not the most direct route up to RT 7.) Also there is some new stuff right near the rink entry (fork off to right) that you probably rode; it has some table top jumps. Those are more fun on the mtb, though probably would be better on the ‘cross bike if I had it setup with less roadie geometry. There are more new trails up on that ridge, some rocky/technical sections too.
I don’t usually go into Great Falls since the trails aren’t that great and crossing Rt. 7 takes forever.
I am planning to ride through the park tomorrow AM if anyone wants to tag along. My default timeline would be to enter Tamarack at 6:30 or so, which is about 40 minutes ride from Custis/W&OD intersection. I could go earlier if there is interest.
September 7, 2015 at 8:54 pm #1037253TwoWheelsDC
Participant@gtmandsager 123082 wrote:
I was intrigued today to find trails in Montgomery County that connect to the towpath (Seneca Creek Greenway and Muddy Branch Greenway), how’s the single track there without suspension?
I rode Muddy Branch today…it’s mostly flowy singletrack with a few short technical sections, which are mostly confined to the Esworthy<>Query Mill section. The one part that I found most challenging was a short rock garden type thing that is maybe 100m long, with a couple really tricky spots due to the inclines (and my inability to take a good line). The descent from River Rd. down to the C&O is an absolute blast and a great way to end the ride, so I’d suggest starting from the C&O and riding to Rt. 28 and back, for an 18 mile round trip. Overall, I’d say very doable on a CX bike, but expect to walk a couple of short sections. The obstacles are mostly roots, although like I said, there are some short rocky sections. There are also a few short, but steep in-and-out stream crossings, but nothing requiring a dismount. The thing that would scare me most about doing it on a CX bike is there are a lot of fairly steep ups-and-downs with roots, and it seems like that would be a bit freaky with CX bike geometry.
September 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm #1037257hozn
ParticipantToday I rode Wakefield on the CX bike. It is all rideable, but I would say on the whole that is a course that would like wider tires. I couldn’t really just bomb through the rocky sections on the 38mm, like I would have with the 2.3″ tires. Very glad i am running tubeless as i bottomed out my tires a number of times. And the berms really need to be redone, as they are no longer all that flowy (and I don’t think that was just the CX bike). It was still tons of fun, especially when the sun came up and I could actually see the trail properly. I haven’t been riding out there in quite awhile. And the 8-mile ride to/from was nicer on the CX bike than it would have been on the SS 29er.
September 8, 2015 at 12:11 am #1037261ginacico
Participant@dkel 123088 wrote:
Much of the Cross County Trail is gravelly goodness. I had a couple of weeks of commuting from Accotink up to Merrifield, and thought it was fantastic. A few paved segments mixed in, but lots of gravel. My CX bike and I both highly recommend it.
+1 for the Cross County Trail.
Sometime this season I rode Vaya (drop bars and 700×40 Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires) from Accotink all the way to Occoquan and back. Lots of mixed terrain including several shallow water crossings. It was all really enjoyable, just seemed like the right bike for the job.
And if you get to Occoquan, there’s Mom’s Apple Pie shop.
September 8, 2015 at 12:19 am #1037262gtmandsager
ParticipantThanks so much for the trail recommendations and reports. We tried out the CCT north from the W&OD on Friday all the way up to Great Falls. It was a blast, the trail was great for the CX bike, had to walk a few short sections but not too bad. There are some rocks though, we had a couple pinch flats (tubeless envy…). All in all, a great ride, probably more comfortable on fat mtb tires but definitely still great on cx. Looking to hit up some of the other recommended spots soon!
September 8, 2015 at 2:38 am #1037270hozn
ParticipantYeah, that section from W&OD to 7 is really great right now — so nice and dry. It is the last part to dry and isn’t as much fun when the puddles are all established, but it is probably the part that is most fun on the CX bike. Especially that fast singletrack through the tulip poplars and then the twisty stuff through the pine grove. What a blast.
+1 for tubeless, definitely had several wincing moments today when I felt the rim bottoming out when I flubbed some technical section. I don’t want to damage my rims, but sure is nice to not flat. It is probably worth trying to tape whatever rims you are running right now; chances are decent they will work great.
September 8, 2015 at 12:51 pm #1037271Raymo853
Participant@hozn 123092 wrote:
Yeah, those are Grails. In the picture the 42mm Specialized Trigger tires are not setup tubeless; I couldn’t get these non-tubeless-ready & wire-bead tires to seat with a floor pump so I gave up. I just ordered a set of 38mm 2bliss Triggers, though, and will replace these when those arrive. I much prefer running tubeless. To not pinch flat my current tires I have to stay around 40psi, and even then have to be a bit careful. I have had great luck with 32mm Kenda Kommando tubeless (“SCT”) tires, but the Triggers roll so fast on pavement that it doesn’t feel like a slog riding to the dirt.
I can’t recommend the Grails enough; they are really nice rims. I particularly like building with them too — they just build up so easily and build/finish quality of rim is top-notch.
I used to run Crest rims, which also worked great.
Stan’s technical folks warned me strongly & promptly when they saw I had non-tubeless 28c road tires set up tubeless on my Grails. CX and road tires that are not tubeless ready can easily seat up with sealant, but have a high tendency to blow out and deflate immediately. They made me promise to not even ride the 12 miles home before putting in tubes.
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