Why bike on the left?
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June 18, 2015 at 4:28 pm #1032372
KLizotte
ParticipantI always stay in the right lane cause having a car pass me on the right just feels freaky and may confuse drivers too. I’ll take the left lane to get around buses and slow moving cars. Yeah, taking up both lanes is boorish.
June 18, 2015 at 4:51 pm #1032373wheelswings
ParticipantI’m not sure where Jefferson Drive is… you don’t mean Street?
There is one place on Jefferson St. approaching Columbia Pike where I take the left lane in order to go straight (up the driveway) or turn. Actually that location was one of my worst experiences with “taking the lane,” even though we were stuck at a red light. The angry driver did not like having me in her lane….she felt I needed to be on the sidewalk.
More to your point, there is one location where I always ride on the left of the cars even though there is a bike lane on the right. That’s on 34th St. approaching Key Bridge in DC. The cars bunch up there and barely move. If you stick to the right-side path, it means you end up in the right-turn traffic lane onto M St. OR you do a do-si-do with the cars to get to the other side at last minute. Simply staying on the left feels safest there…with extreme caution in case of dooring.June 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm #1032376Emm
Participant@wheels&wings 118366 wrote:
I’m not sure where Jefferson Drive is… you don’t mean Street?
Jefferson drive SW is the street just south of the national mall that runs parallel to independence.
To the OPs point–I agree it is kinda odd and a little rude for people bike all the way to the left on Jefferson Dr, since you can safely get out of the door zone, and still leave room for a car to pass with 3 feet of space. You can also easily pass a person without going past the middle of the road.
I take the left on Madison Ave in the evenings all the time though to pass buses and stopped cars…
June 18, 2015 at 5:06 pm #1032377mstone
Participant@wheels&wings 118366 wrote:
I’m not sure where Jefferson Drive is… you don’t mean Street?
On the mall.
As to the original question, are they turning left? Otherwise, who knows; they’re humans, there’s a certain level of randomness.
June 18, 2015 at 6:38 pm #1032395DismalScientist
ParticipantThe speed limit is 15. You bike on the left to pass the cars driving the speed limit.
June 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm #1032402GovernorSilver
Participant@DismalScientist 118389 wrote:
The speed limit is 15. You bike on the left to pass the cars driving the speed limit.
Aren’t cyclists subject to the same speed limit as motorists?
Some of these bike laws are confusing though. For example, Virginia bike law has this bit:
http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Where
Bicyclists operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions then existing shall ride as close as safely practicable to the right curb or edge of roadway. Exceptions to this are when bicyclists are overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, preparing for a left turn, avoiding unsafe conditions, avoiding riding in a lane that turns or diverges to the right, riding on a one way street where bicyclists may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of roadway, or when the lane width is too narrow to share with a motor vehicle. Additionally, bicycles are not excluded from riding on the highway shoulder.
So in VA I’m supposed to ride my bike as close to the right curb/edge “as safely practicable” but wouldn’t that lead to weaving – that is, you ride closer to the curb when there’s no parked cars (and their doors!) to worry about, but have to ride further away when the parked cars are there. :confused:
June 18, 2015 at 8:06 pm #1032403Crickey7
Participant@GovernorSilver 118398 wrote:
So in VA I’m supposed to ride my bike as close to the right curb/edge “as safely practicable” but wouldn’t that lead to weaving – that is, you ride closer to the curb when there’s no parked cars (and their doors!) to worry about, but have to ride further away when the parked cars are there. :confused:
I guess I see the confusion, but you can reconcile by reading “right curb or edge of roadway” to mean, at all times, a travel lane, i.e., not a lane being used at such time for parking. This is how I interpret it in real life riding. You get to the same result by interpreting the “practicable” provision as riding so as to not weave in and out of a travel lane whenever parked cars are present, “practicable” being generally interpreted by the courts as being consistent with safety.
June 19, 2015 at 4:02 pm #1032463dplasters
Participant@GovernorSilver 118398 wrote:
or when the lane width is too narrow to share with a motor vehicle
So in VA I’m supposed to ride my bike as close to the right curb/edge “as safely practicable” but wouldn’t that lead to weaving – that is, you ride closer to the curb when there’s no parked cars (and their doors!) to worry about, but have to ride further away when the parked cars are there. :confused:
Not that it is super relevant to the situation but I bolded what is to me the most important part of that law. A few feet from the edge/curb to me, a foot or two for my width, 3′ to pass aka I ride dead center in the vast majority of lanes I ride in.
Yes, cyclists are vehicles and are subject to the speed limit. Dismal’s point is that so are cars. 15mph on a flat road is a simple task for many… so why not cycle where you’d please?
Bicyclists operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions then existing shall ride as close as safely practicable to the right curb or edge of roadway
June 19, 2015 at 4:35 pm #1032468Kolohe
Participant@Emm 118370 wrote:
I take the left on Madison Ave in the evenings all the time though to pass buses and stopped cars…
Also the sharrow is labelled on the left around American History (I blame Howard Zinn)
June 19, 2015 at 4:48 pm #1032473DismalScientist
ParticipantI normally ride in the center of the lane on Madison and Jefferson, since I generally travel at the speed of traffic when the way is not obstructed. If a car is coming up to me, I’ll let him pass on the left, but I assume that either 1) he doesn’t realize how fast he is going because he has underestimated my speed, or 2) he has no idea what the speed limit is. That said, there are plenty of times when a car is just poking along and I will only pass him on the left.
When unobstructed, traffic generally flows at 20-25 mph on these streets. Speed limits are for both bikes and cars, but I have never seen them enforced.
June 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm #1032482GovernorSilver
Participant@dplasters 118466 wrote:
Not that it is super relevant to the situation but I bolded what is to me the most important part of that law. A few feet from the edge/curb to me, a foot or two for my width, 3′ to pass aka I ride dead center in the vast majority of lanes I ride in.
Yes, cyclists are vehicles and are subject to the speed limit. Dismal’s point is that so are cars. 15mph on a flat road is a simple task for many… so why not cycle where you’d please?
The law makes more sense to me now. Thanks! I missed the part where it says “at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions”.
June 19, 2015 at 7:51 pm #1032502cvcalhoun
Participant@dplasters 118466 wrote:
Not that it is super relevant to the situation but I bolded what is to me the most important part of that law. A few feet from the edge/curb to me, a foot or two for my width, 3′ to pass aka I ride dead center in the vast majority of lanes I ride in.
Yes, cyclists are vehicles and are subject to the speed limit. Dismal’s point is that so are cars. 15mph on a flat road is a simple task for many… so why not cycle where you’d please?
In Maryland at least, the state takes the view that any lane less than 13 feet wide is too narrow for the rule about riding as far to the right as practicable to apply. This means that in virtually all lanes in the suburbs, riding anywhere in the right lane is allowed. I actually had this confirmed by a police officer who stopped a car for cutting me off when I was riding in the middle of the lane on Old Georgetown Road.
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