CaBi van in bike lane while balancing
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May 19, 2015 at 4:39 pm #1030459
KLizotte
ParticipantWell, they are technically moving bikes in and out of the lane. Given how irate drivers would be if they took up a car lane, I give CaBi a pass on this, esp in an area as tough as Thomas Circle.
May 19, 2015 at 4:42 pm #1030460jrenaut
ParticipantI’ve complained to them before about this exact spot – they blew it off as being the only feasible spot, which I don’t buy.
On the bright side, taking the lane there saves you from the daily attempts at right hooks. My favorite is the far left lane right hook without even looking. That’s extra-special.
May 19, 2015 at 7:32 pm #1030482Raymo853
ParticipantI have seen them blocking bike lanes multiple times and in multiple places. When I worked at the Ronald Reagan Building, one of their vans spatially conspired with motorcycles to prevent me from getting my bike out of the rack at the corner of D and 14th NW.
May 19, 2015 at 11:56 pm #1030501scoot
Participant@jrenaut 116268 wrote:
On the bright side, taking the lane there saves you from the daily attempts at right hooks. My favorite is the far left lane right hook without even looking. That’s extra-special.
I’ve only ridden through Thomas Circle a few times, but I’ve taken the lane every time. If someone still tries to right-hook you (from the left lane), you at least have more time to react.
May 20, 2015 at 10:41 am #1030519RideTheWomble
ParticipantThe EPA employee shuttle habitually blocks the bike lane at Potomac Ave. and Crystal Dr. in Arlington. They’ve even placed a claim on the bike lane area by putting an official sign for a stop there, for Pete’s sake. CaBi isn’t the only head-scratcher of a bike-lane-blocker around here.
May 20, 2015 at 1:05 pm #1030530baiskeli
ParticipantIf there were no bike lane, they’d be blocking a lane of traffic. It seems to me that vehicles like that have to go to the curb, and block whatever lane, car or bike, that’s next to the curb. It’s ironic in this case though, yeah.
May 20, 2015 at 4:32 pm #1030554Lt. Dan
Participant@jrenaut 116268 wrote:
I’ve complained to them before about this exact spot – they blew it off as being the only feasible spot, which I don’t buy.
.Do you have a suggestion for a better spot that is still within easy reach of the racks they are servicing?
May 20, 2015 at 4:54 pm #1030557PotomacCyclist
ParticipantI’m OK with this if there is no nearby alternative. The vans shouldn’t be driving onto the sidewalks.
Maybe they could park on Highland Terrace: https://goo.gl/maps/RU1Iz
But the staff members would have to cross the Massachusetts Ave. lanes multiple times, while pushing heavy CaBi bikes. There will be speeding drivers and drivers who take aggressive right turns off the circle without even looking. (This happens almost everywhere.) Over the course of a year, I’d have to think that risk of injury would be significantly higher for those employees if they are parking the van on Highland Terrace a few times a day during rush hour and pushing heavy bikes across those lanes.
Even if the van was allowed to drive onto the sidewalk, would it be possible? The van driver would have to turn onto Mass. Ave. briefly before making a hard left onto the sidewalk. There may not be enough space to do that. The other option is to drive directly from Thomas Circle onto the sidewalk, but that would also be awkward, with the curb and the lack of room to maneuver the van into place.
May 20, 2015 at 4:57 pm #1030559PotomacCyclist
ParticipantM Street would be another option. But first they would have to find a parking space or two. I don’t think the van would fit into just a single parking space.
Then the employees would have to cross both M Street and a lane of Mass. Ave. The safety issue pops up again. Plus this would slow the process quite a bit. When they have multiple stops during the morning rush hour, adding all this extra time at several locations could hamper rebalancing quite a bit.
May 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm #1030588mstone
ParticipantWhy not stop in the traffic lame instead of the bike lane?
May 20, 2015 at 8:53 pm #1030590PotomacCyclist
ParticipantThe van is probably stopped in both, in part of the road lane too.
I don’t think it would matter though. If the van were parked only in the traffic lane, with the bike lane free, there would still be a problem. The employees are going to be shuttling back and forth across the bike lane very frequently. It still wouldn’t be usable. Even if the bike lane opened up temporarily, there would still be the risk of employees moving into the bike lane suddenly. The employees or an oncoming cyclist might not see the other party. That doesn’t seem like a good situation either. There is no good solution here, other than to move the bike station completely, but that would bring up other problems. I think this is one of the closest stations to the Farragut Square and Franklin Park areas that doesn’t fill up in the mornings. That has been my experience on the limited number of times I’ve checked. I’ve used that station a few times when all the Farragut/Franklin stations were full.
May 20, 2015 at 9:04 pm #1030592mstone
Participant@PotomacCyclist 116405 wrote:
The employees are going to be shuttling back and forth across the bike lane very frequently. It still wouldn’t be usable. Even if the bike lane opened up temporarily, there would still be the risk of employees moving into the bike lane suddenly. The employees or an oncoming cyclist might not see the other party.[/quote]
I disagree. They would not be continually in the lane. They go back and forth, and spend a good bit of time either at the kiosk or in the van, and people would be able to pass at those times. The visibility into the back of the van is great, so I fail to see how either party could fail to see the other.
May 20, 2015 at 9:10 pm #103059383b
Participant@PotomacCyclist 116405 wrote:
There is no good solution here, other than to move the bike station completely…
That’s why I’m not inclined to make too big of a fuss over this particular issue. We’ve seen local NIMBYs cite the rebalancing vans when pushing back against new stations. I’d hate to lose out on prime station locations because good loading zones aren’t immediately adjacent.
May 20, 2015 at 9:44 pm #1030596PotomacCyclist
Participant@mstone 116407 wrote:
I disagree. They would not be continually in the lane. They go back and forth, and spend a good bit of time either at the kiosk or in the van, and people would be able to pass at those times. The visibility into the back of the van is great, so I fail to see how either party could fail to see the other.
I’ve seen the rebalancing staff running pretty quickly between the van and the station at other locations. It would be pretty easy for someone to miss them if they weren’t looking in that exact direction at that moment.
At Thomas Circle, there are other distractions. The cyclist has to be aware of the car traffic in the circle as well as car drivers leaving the circle or entering the circle. I’ve walked around there and through the crosswalks and found it challenging to keep an eye on all of the traffic patterns. If a cyclist were trying to squeeze between the sidewalk and the van, they would have to look for all of these car traffic flows in addition to looking for the rebalancing staff.
May 20, 2015 at 9:46 pm #1030597PotomacCyclist
Participant@83(b) 116408 wrote:
That’s why I’m not inclined to make too big of a fuss over this particular issue. We’ve seen local NIMBYs cite the rebalancing vans when pushing back against new stations. I’d hate to lose out on prime station locations because good loading zones aren’t immediately adjacent.
My thoughts exactly. I’ve had many more issues with FedEx, UPS or other non-CaBi delivery vans and trucks, and also with the large tour buses.
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