10 Reasons to Not Get a Cargo Bike
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January 30, 2015 at 7:27 pm #1021836
Phatboing
ParticipantThe extra exercise from cargo biking might cause you to drop a size, requiring you to get newer, better fitting clothing.
This is a real problem. I hate shopping. Hate it. So I have to eat vast quantities of food just to make sure I don’t have to get newer fitted clothing ever. Packing away so much delicious food means I’m depriving someone else of it, yes, so I follow it with milkshakes so I can live with myself.
January 30, 2015 at 9:02 pm #1021853hozn
ParticipantI guess it’s funny, but the arguments are mostly so superficial.
For example, this is a theme:
- Using a cargo bike rather than a car might mean you’d do the maintenance yourself, which means you’d get your hands dirty. Also, you’d be saving a lot of money, compared to the cost of a car mechanic–see #2.
Um, why aren’t you doing your own car maintenance? It’s not like maintaining a car is particularly difficult, though I admit that I do little of it now because I’m not driving old cars (or Saabs) anymore.
But what does bike maintenance really cost vs. car maintenance? Is it really cheaper? I would believe “yes”, but the answer doesn’t seem obvious.
For me every 1500 miles I replace a chain at a cost of around $30. And every 3 chains I replace my cassette at a cost of $60. That’s about the life of tires too, if you’re lucky. And brake pads. So for me that’s around $250 every 4500 miles. And every 2 cassettes I replace my rings at a cost of around $100. So $600 for 9,000 miles. And that’s about the time that I need to replace cables, housing. Factoring in other things that wear out like wheels, bars, shifters, derailleurs, saddles, etc. I’m gonna throw out that my bicycle probably costs me somewhere in the range of $700-$900/year (~9k miles) to maintain. And if I was paying retail prices & LBS labor it’s probably twice that? There are likely cheaper ways to ride a bicycle, but I’m not exactly paying for caviar (or Campagnolo) components here.
This is a lot more than I spend maintaining my car. Granted newer car now, but that is also more than I spent maintaining my ’91 Saab 900 (doing the work myself). And that car cost me $1500, which is less than I spent on my commuter bike.
And operating costs? A gallon of gas is pretty cheap. I can’t ride my bike for 25 miles for less than $3.
There are lots of other costs related to owning a car (insurance, property tax, etc.), but I’m not sure that maintenance (or operational) costs are the no-brainer this article suggests. — Unless you can sell your car altogether. Then I’d believe you’re saving significant money.
I want more people riding bicycles, but I think the economics bear a little more thought.
January 30, 2015 at 9:21 pm #1021856Crickey7
ParticipantI agree that a pet peeve I have with articles citing the savings of commuting by bike wildly understate the costs. I have to replace 4-6 items of clothing a year, for example, at an average cost per item of around $50. Tubes wear out or flat every 3 months or so on average, at $6 a pop. Good tools costs, and even then I won’t do some repairs myself. And then there’s the added beer consumption.
January 30, 2015 at 9:26 pm #1021857peterw_diy
Participant@hozn 107106 wrote:
A gallon of gas is pretty cheap. I can’t ride my bike for 25 miles for less than $3.
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I want more people riding bicycles, but I think the economics bear a little more thought.Your maintenance costs are $0.10/mile, so how does it cost you more than $3.00 for 25 miles?
January 30, 2015 at 9:52 pm #1021858ronwalf
Participant@peterw_diy 107110 wrote:
Your maintenance costs are $0.10/mile, so how does it cost you more than $3.00 for 25 miles?
Biking at a steady 15mph consumes energy at the rate of about 22 miles per whopper (with cheese). My commute is 30 miles (RT) by car (Corolla, avg 36mpg), and 43 miles by bike. The GPS estimates about 1800 Calories per commute. Even using the lower whopper estimate (1500 Calories), I’d have to be creative to compensate that energy deficit with $2 in food without suffering gastronomic distress (noooo, not a cup of canola oil!).
January 30, 2015 at 9:54 pm #1021859GB
Participant@peterw_diy 107110 wrote:
Your maintenance costs are $0.10/mile, so how does it cost you more than $3.00 for 25 miles?
Fuel.
The $3 / 25 miles was meant to compare fuel costs. What’s your $/mile only counting food costs?
I’m probably a around $0.15 or $3.75/25miles. That’s just if I get regular grade, if I splug for premium (better for the engine) it could easy be twice that.All that said, I do think Honz spends more than absolutely necessary for basic transport cycling. Which is kind of like comparing the maintance costs of a Honda and a BMW.
January 30, 2015 at 10:07 pm #1021861Steve O
ParticipantThe IRS says it costs about 60 cents a mile to own and operate a car. The IRS is not in the business of giving money away, so I’ll accept that as an average value. (That said, there is a wide range depending on lots of variables).
Over the many years I have owned bikes, my experience is about 10-15 cents/mile, including the cost of the bike. I’m a bit of a cheapskate, so I know it can be a lot more.
For instance, a rider who spends $3000 on a cargo bike is going to have to ride it 30,000 miles before just the capital costs drop to 10 cents/mile–not including any maintenance along the way. There are lots and lots of riders out there who won’t ride 30,000 miles over their entire lives.
So 25 cents or more per mile for some bicyclists is not an unreasonable estimate, and I would guess that there are plenty for whom their full costs may very well exceed the costs of operating their cars.
Lesson?
You gotta ride your bike to make the numbers work.January 30, 2015 at 10:12 pm #1021864dasgeh
ParticipantIf you really want to be precise about it, you have to look at the delta – the difference between what you need to eat cycling for transportation vs what you need to eat driving for transportation.
Also, capital costs should take into account resale value. Cargo bikes generally hold their resale value pretty well.January 30, 2015 at 10:22 pm #1021867peterw_diy
ParticipantFuel – you mean if you didn’t bike you’d sit on your duff and not exercise some other way? If so, let’s factor in healthcare costs, OK?
January 30, 2015 at 10:29 pm #1021869GB
ParticipantJanuary 30, 2015 at 10:41 pm #1021871GB
Participant@peterw_diy 107120 wrote:
Fuel – you mean if you didn’t bike you’d sit on your duff and not exercise some other way? If so, let’s factor in healthcare costs, OK?
Yes and ok.
Heart disease goes down, broken bones go up.
January 30, 2015 at 10:41 pm #1021872hozn
Participant@peterw_diy 107120 wrote:
Fuel – you mean if you didn’t bike you’d sit on your duff and not exercise some other way? If so, let’s factor in healthcare costs, OK?
I eat an extra 1000-1500 calories per day to maintain my weight when I commute by bike.
January 30, 2015 at 11:11 pm #1021875jrenaut
ParticipantYou all are entirely too disciplined in your diets. My bike commute barely offsets the vices of my caloric intake. I’m a sucker for an imperial IPA…
It’s hard to determine the actual costs for us. Because of the locations of home/work/kids’ school, I’d be crazy not to bike. If I drive, it’s probably 20 minutes each way, and I’d have to drive to school, drop the kids, drive home, and then begin my commute to work. If I drove the whole way it’s $20/day for parking. We can take Metro, but it’s a half mile walk, three stops, then a mile walk. The bus isn’t terrible but it’s a transfer plus a five block walk. Those of you with children 6 and under can understand the drawbacks of two rush hour buses plus a walk.
If I bike, it’s an extra 1.5 miles added to my commute. I have good bike parking at work. Yes, we spent $2000+ on the cargo bike, plus a non-trivial amount on winter/rain clothes for everyone. And hauling that much weight all the time is tough on any bike, so maintenance is not trivial, either. But we paid off my car in 2011. If we drove a lot, we would have replaced it by now, but it’s a 2006 and hasn’t quite broken 70,000 miles. We put 5500 miles on it in 2014.
The hardest to quantify is my mental well-being. I’m in such a better mood when I bike. Even on the crappy days.
Anyway, I don’t really have a point here except that it’s extremely difficult to quantify the exact difference between using the cargo bike and using the car or anything else. But my Xtracycle makes me happy, so I don’t really care.
January 30, 2015 at 11:19 pm #1021876Vicegrip
Participant@hozn 107125 wrote:
I eat an extra 1000-1500 calories per day to maintain my weight when I commute by bike.
You can drink 1000 to 1500 cal too!
January 30, 2015 at 11:21 pm #1021877peterw_diy
Participant@GB 107124 wrote:
Yes and ok.
Heart disease goes down, broken bones go up.
My rate of broken bones is about one every 15 years. If that’s the cost of avoiding cardiac failure, it’s a bargain.
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