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  • #1016645
    Subby
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    Probably just karma more than anything.

    #1016647
    mstone
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    some people are nuts; don’t overanalyze, just move on

    #1016648
    Mikey
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    the brighter your light the less likely they are to recognize your face ;)

    #1016708
    Drewdane
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    OK, I tried really hard to let this slide, but I just can’t stand it.

    hypocrisy

    #1016719
    ShawnoftheDread
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    @Drewdane 101716 wrote:

    OK, I tried really hard to let this slide, but I just can’t stand it.

    hypocrisy

    Trying to copy edit Bob has destroyed better editors than we.

    #1016829
    Terpfan
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    @Raymo853 101649 wrote:

    Monday night I was riding away from gravelly point toward the Memorial Bridge. I had one of my L&M Urban 650 on low so just 150 lumens. Coming the other way was a guy with a bar and helmet light. Usually I put a hand over the top part of the light but could not since he was both blinding me and passing somebody else so I wanted both hands steady.

    He yelled at me something about dimming my lights. I don’t think that is crazy as 150 is a bit bright bike to bike, but lordy he had to be running at least 8 times that. I am not sure, but suspect he turned the helmet light off then back on as part of his protest, I really could not see. If I had not been waiting for my GF (with her Urban 400) I would have gone after him to ask for clarification. I do think I was partially at fault as my light was pointed a bit too much upward but ….

    Yes I used Strava Flyby to see if I could identify this guy but no such luck.

    Sounds hypocritical to me.

    It wasn’t me although I have been blinded by folks coming northbound on MVT a few times that way. The one thing I would say that sucks is for certain sections as a southbound rider, you can’t look away because the car lights from GW northbound are right in your eyes. Those are usually the times when I put my hand over my forehead and hope I can steal a quick enough glance of no one in front of me.

    #1017316
    Dickie
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    I have been covering my light to on-coming cyclists for years now. I generally ride west in the mornings and east in the evenings so I’m in the minority and thus getting far more cyclists coming towards me than the other way round. I have noticed a dramatic increase in night cycling traffic on the WOD, 4MR, and MVT this year, and so an increase in lights. On last night’s 20 mile commute I decided to count:

    29 cyclists crossed my paths (I covered my light each time)
    2 covered their lights in return
    3 cyclists were using high powered strobes
    4 cyclists were using blinkies (2 were Cap Bikeshares)

    … of the remaining 20 cyclists more than half had either lights pointed directly into my face, or were running 800 lumens (guessing) or higher, or both. I will continue to cover my light because It makes me feel like a good citizen, and it’s rare that I’m so blinded it becomes dangerous, but I am considering riding at 5:00 am and 3:00 pm to avoid the problem entirely.

    #1017334
    americancyclo
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    @Dickie 102364 wrote:

    2 covered their lights in return

    Geez, I hope I was one of them. I was trying to read the realtor sign near where JJ warms up to see if it was zoned commercial and residential about when i saw you.

    #1017335
    FFX_Hinterlands
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    @Dickie 102364 wrote:

    I have been covering my light to on-coming cyclists for years now. I generally ride west in the mornings and east in the evenings so I’m in the minority and thus getting far more cyclists coming towards me than the other way round. I have noticed a dramatic increase in night cycling traffic on the WOD, 4MR, and MVT this year, and so an increase in lights. On last night’s 20 mile commute I decided to count:

    29 cyclists crossed my paths (I covered my light each time)
    2 covered their lights in return
    3 cyclists were using high powered strobes
    4 cyclists were using blinkies (2 were Cap Bikeshares)

    … of the remaining 20 cyclists more than half had either lights pointed directly into my face, or were running 800 lumens (guessing) or higher, or both. I will continue to cover my light because It makes me feel like a good citizen, and it’s rare that I’m so blinded it becomes dangerous, but I am considering riding at 5:00 am and 3:00 pm to avoid the problem entirely.

    My light is mounted under my front basket. There’s no way to cover it but it has a euro beam anyhow (sharp cutoff like low beams). How would you count me? Would I be one of the 29?
    Hypothetical question.

    #1017337
    Terpfan
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    @Dickie 102364 wrote:

    I have been covering my light to on-coming cyclists for years now. I generally ride west in the mornings and east in the evenings so I’m in the minority and thus getting far more cyclists coming towards me than the other way round. I have noticed a dramatic increase in night cycling traffic on the WOD, 4MR, and MVT this year, and so an increase in lights. On last night’s 20 mile commute I decided to count:

    29 cyclists crossed my paths (I covered my light each time)
    2 covered their lights in return
    3 cyclists were using high powered strobes
    4 cyclists were using blinkies (2 were Cap Bikeshares)

    … of the remaining 20 cyclists more than half had either lights pointed directly into my face, or were running 800 lumens (guessing) or higher, or both. I will continue to cover my light because It makes me feel like a good citizen, and it’s rare that I’m so blinded it becomes dangerous, but I am considering riding at 5:00 am and 3:00 pm to avoid the problem entirely.

    I would say I was one of them, but I also head east/southbound in the evening. I was also cover my light, albeit, it’s like 200 lumen at high power so not blinding anyone. I run it on a lower setting that’s closer to 100 lumen I think. I had a little better ratio though. Of oncoming folks, I would guess 1/5 covered and when you count helmet mounts turning away, 1/4. Of the remainder, 1/2 were roughly on par with airplane’s lights landing at National, and the last 1/4 or so were composed of ninjas or people with lights so weak I’m not sure the point of them.

    What’s funny is I don’t care much except on the stretches where I’m already blinded horribly by the traffic on GWP. Then I think the people coming at me with 1,000 combined lumens are begging for a head-on collision. The funny part being it’s so damn bright from the cars that they don’t even need the light to see there. C’est le vie.

    #1017341
    vern
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    @Dickie 102364 wrote:

    I have been covering my light to on-coming cyclists for years now. I generally ride west in the mornings and east in the evenings so I’m in the minority and thus getting far more cyclists coming towards me than the other way round. I have noticed a dramatic increase in night cycling traffic on the WOD, 4MR, and MVT this year, and so an increase in lights. On last night’s 20 mile commute I decided to count:

    29 cyclists crossed my paths (I covered my light each time)
    2 covered their lights in return
    3 cyclists were using high powered strobes
    4 cyclists were using blinkies (2 were Cap Bikeshares)

    … of the remaining 20 cyclists more than half had either lights pointed directly into my face, or were running 800 lumens (guessing) or higher, or both. I will continue to cover my light because It makes me feel like a good citizen, and it’s rare that I’m so blinded it becomes dangerous, but I am considering riding at 5:00 am and 3:00 pm to avoid the problem entirely.

    Twice last night heading west on the WOD I was blinded by on-coming cyclists who didn’t cover their high lumens lights, and each time I ran over a large rock or some such thing (who knows what it was…I couldn’t see it!!), and each time I almost lost control of my bike and crashed, all whilst covering my light.

    #1017348
    Dickie
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    Yeah, it’s such a tough debate which is why I think it gets re-hashed over and over. For the most part the low powered lights don’t bother me at all, and I recognize that there are plenty of times it’s not possible to cover a light… as a few have mentioned (mounted on helmet, or a place that cannot be reached), and as stated before, I’d rather folks control their bikes first and worry about lights second. I also understand that many commuters are on and off the trails and intermittent times, so the higher powered lights are helpful when in auto traffic but not accessible to switch easily on the fly. All this to say my experience was more an observation, although I am sure a number of the folks I encountered could have helped the situation in some way. I have to believe they are just un-aware rather than not caring, at least thinking this keeps me positive and sane.

    #1017349
    dplasters
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    @Dickie 102396 wrote:

    so the higher powered lights are helpful when in auto traffic but not accessible to switch easily on the fly.

    Really? I have been very comfortable with about a 200 lumen light and I do all my riding in auto traffic. I always assumed the high lumen stuff was for people who have to actively light their own path since the trails had no street lights / ambient light.

    Whatever keeps us all riding and safe.

    #1017350
    Dickie
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    @dplasters 102397 wrote:

    Really? I have been very comfortable with about a 200 lumen light and I do all my riding in auto traffic. I always assumed the high lumen stuff was for people who have to actively light their own path since the trails had no street lights / ambient light.

    Whatever keeps us all riding and safe.

    Again, I think it’s so subjective and comes down to each person’s comfort level. I for one ride mostly on the trails (WOD, MVT, 4MR) but spend some of that time on Gallows, and through Ballston – Rosslyn. I prefer to run my lights brighter in traffic to stand out from the ambient and auto lights. Running lower power on the trails is enough for me. It’s also really easy for me to toggle between settings as my light is mounted on my bars at the stem.

    #1017351
    KLizotte
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    FYI: the Exposure brand lights (out of the UK but sold here) have a remote switch that allows you to easily switch between high and low lumens.

    Also, Exposure produces the Strada light that is specifically designed with commuting in mind. I use a Strada but without the remote switch because my handlebars are so tiny that I simply don’t have sufficient real estate. I utilized the remote when I had flat bars on another bike and loved it.

    Product Details

    Exposure’s Strada Mk5 Road Specific Light features the same high-tech resin lens technology as the rest of Exposure’s lights, except a distinct beam pattern provides better light dispersion for paved surfaces. The lens is specifically designed to maximize light collection from the two Cree XPG R5 LEDs and efficiently produce a flat, wide pattern to light shoulders and road ahead without disturbing oncoming cyclists and motorists alike. And, with an output of 800 lumens, not blinding other road users becomes crucial. It also includes a remote switch so you can shuffle between a ‘dipped beam’ and bright without removing your hands from the bars. Another safety oriented feature is Exposure’s Smart Port Technology Plus. It’s a cylindrical plug on the back of the lamp unit that allows you to insert the smart charger, but, also enables accessories like a red LED taillight, back-up batteries, or you can charge other USB-powered devices with it. Smart Port Technology automatically recognize each accessory and configures the system to take a charge or power accessory lights. Powering the Strada Mk5 is an 8700mAh Lithium ion battery that’s packaged inside the CNC’d, aerospace grade aluminum housing. The extensive machining, however, isn’t just to look cool. It’s actually designed to help heat transfer — to physically cool the light. Packing two Cree XPG R5 LED’s, the Strada Mk5 can generate excessive heat. One way it’s managed is through the weather-tight body, the other way it’s managed is with Exposure’s patented Intelligent Thermal Management (ITM). If the internal temperature gets too high, ITM kicks in and automatically drops the power level down to the next lowest setting. It will remain at the lower setting until the temperature inside the housing returns within normal operating range. This, and the weatherproof housing, ensures the light’s battery and LED bulbs are safe from moisture, muck, and heat for a long life span. The Strada Mk5 also features Exposure…

    • Road specific design with unique beam pattern to avoid blinding oncoming cyclists and pedestrians (similar to the concept of high and low beam in a car)
    • 800 Lumens from 2 Cree XPG LEDs
    • OMS customizable run times and output
    • 228 grams
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