Wilson Bvd to get bike lanes

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  • #1013858
    bobco85
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    To avoid any confusion, the restriping will be applied from North Manchester Street (W&OD trail) to North Frederick Street (behind the Safeway) and will not reach George Mason Drive.

    This is an interesting project, if not for the fact that the set-up with bike lanes was asked for by the Bluemont neighborhood association and not a bike-advocacy group.

    The goal of the plan is to make the sidewalks safer for walking. That said, the neighborhood association requested to have the utilities moved underground, but that was denied due to budget constraints, so unfortunately the telephone poles in the middle of the sidewalks will remain. The only positive for pedestrians is that the bike lanes will provide a buffer from vehicular traffic. As someone who has walked on those sidewalks, that extra gap of 4-5 feet from traffic will make a difference, though.

    As an aside, the use of bike lanes as buffer from vehicular traffic reminded me of the King Street bike lanes project with the opposition claiming that they were going to be sacrificing cyclists. We’ll see if those same claims pop up again.

    #1013861
    DismalScientist
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    The three lane treatment cannot be cheaply extended eastward to George Mason because there is a curbed median in the middle of Wilson east of Frederick.

    #1013862
    baiskeli
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    @bobco85 98719 wrote:

    To avoid any confusion, the restriping will be applied from North Manchester Street (W&OD trail) to North Frederick Street (behind the Safeway) and will not reach George Mason Drive.

    Yes, thanks for the clarification.

    This is an interesting project, if not for the fact that the set-up with bike lanes was asked for by the Bluemont neighborhood association and not a bike-advocacy group.

    As a Bluemont resident, I’m proud to say there’s not much difference sometimes.

    The goal of the plan is to make the sidewalks safer for walking. That said, the neighborhood association requested to have the utilities moved underground, but that was denied due to budget constraints, so unfortunately the telephone poles in the middle of the sidewalks will remain. The only positive for pedestrians is that the bike lanes will provide a buffer from vehicular traffic. As someone who has walked on those sidewalks, that extra gap of 4-5 feet from traffic will make a difference, though.

    Yes, and it may make it safer for pedestrians to cross Wilson.

    #1013863
    dasgeh
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    It looks like there’s no buffer between car traffic and the bike lanes. We need to work on that.

    #1013880
    Steve O
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    @dasgeh 98724 wrote:

    It looks like there’s no buffer between car traffic and the bike lanes. We need to work on that.

    Agreed, although there are no cars parked outside, so one may ride closer to the curb without risk of dooring.

    #1013883
    Steve O
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    @dasgeh 98724 wrote:

    It looks like there’s no buffer between car traffic and the bike lanes. We need to work on that.

    Agreed, although there are no cars parked outside, so one may ride closer to the curb without risk of dooring.

    Personally, if there were a little more space I would cede it to the peds. The sidewalks along that stretch are ridiculous.

    @bobco85 98719 wrote:

    …the neighborhood association requested to have the utilities moved underground, but that was denied due to budget constraints, so unfortunately the telephone poles in the middle of the sidewalks will remain.

    I’m also ashamed that we Americans still use the quaint, 19th century practice of nailing metal strings to poles to distribute our utilities. If you open your eyes to what I call “sky litter” you will soon be constantly annoyed at how hideous most of our neighborhoods look. Unfortunately, most people have become immune to it and don’t even notice the constant and enormous aesthetic blemishes inflicted on us.

    If you live in Arlington, next time you are traveling eastbound on Washington Blvd., notice how much more pleasant it suddenly feels after you cross Glebe. West of Glebe there are wires everywhere; east of Glebe, they are underground. Once you notice this change you cannot help but see it everytime.

    #1013886
    baiskeli
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    @Steve O 98744 wrote:

    I’m also ashamed that we Americans still use the quaint, 19th century practice of nailing metal strings to poles to distribute our utilities. If you open your eyes to what I call “sky litter” you will soon be constantly annoyed at how hideous most of our neighborhoods look. Unfortunately, most people have become immune to it and don’t even notice the constant and enormous aesthetic blemishes inflicted on us.

    If you live in Arlington, next time you are traveling eastbound on Washington Blvd., notice how much more pleasant it suddenly feels after you cross Glebe. West of Glebe there are wires everywhere; east of Glebe, they are underground. Once you notice this change you cannot help but see it everytime.

    It’s about $1 milliion per mile to bury the lines, not including the cost to every homeowner to bury their service line. Not a small number.

    I actually like my neighborhood and its overhead wires. It feels more, to use your word, quaint.

    #1013894
    jrenaut
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    @baiskeli 98748 wrote:

    It’s about $1 million per mile to bury the lines, not including the cost to every homeowner to bury their service line. Not a small number.

    That’s not true. The weird Comcast guy who tried to set up my service says there are magical tunnels underground that you can put the cable wires in. You just need to know how to find the right hole and the wires can go anywhere you want. If his supervisor had been in the office that day he could have had my service hooked up in no time with the magical tunnels, but unfortunately his supervisor was NOT in the office and no one else on earth has the magical map to the magical tunnels and they don’t have anyone on staff with the magical map memorized (I would imagine this is a really valuable thing to know).

    #1013896
    baiskeli
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    @jrenaut 98756 wrote:

    That’s not true. The weird Comcast guy who tried to set up my service says there are magical tunnels underground that you can put the cable wires in. You just need to know how to find the right hole and the wires can go anywhere you want. If his supervisor had been in the office that day he could have had my service hooked up in no time with the magical tunnels, but unfortunately his supervisor was NOT in the office and no one else on earth has the magical map to the magical tunnels and they don’t have anyone on staff with the magical map memorized (I would imagine this is a really valuable thing to know).

    I should switch to Comcast. Verizon sent a guy out to connect my neighbor, and my connection went out at the same time. The guy insisted it couldn’t possibly be his fault. Two days later, they sent another guy out to fix my connection and he confirmed that it was indeed the first guy’s fault. Idiots. If Verizon had magic tunnels like Comcast, that would never have happened.

    #1013897
    rcannon100
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    Virginia State Corporation Commission File a Complaint

    FCC File a Complaint

    See also American Customer Satisfaction Index, Benchmarks by Industry

    * Verizon: 71
    * Comcast 57

    (higher is better)

    #1013902
    chris_s
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    @dasgeh 98724 wrote:

    It looks like there’s no buffer between car traffic and the bike lanes. We need to work on that.

    My understanding is no design details have been finalized.

    My guess is the buffer will be (curb-to-curb distance minus three 11′ travel lanes minus two 5′ bike lanes) / 2. If that equation comes out to zero, the buffer will be zero. If that equation comes out to 3′ the buffer will be 3′. If we want to argue with staff, it’ll likely be about whether the 11′ in that equation should actually be 10.5′ or 10′ instead of 11′.

    #1013903
    Steve O
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    @baiskeli 98748 wrote:

    It’s about $1 milliion per mile to bury the lines, not including the cost to every homeowner to bury their service line. Not a small number.

    Seems like it’s about a mile, so a million. Not a big number. Particularly since it would also get rid of the utility poles that are RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the sidewalk. Seriously, one has to literally turn sideways to get past them.
    Amortize over 50 years divided by the number of pedestrians who will be convenienced and it’s less than a penny per. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me.

    #1013904
    DismalScientist
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    How much time and how much will it cost for the county to measure the curb-to-curb distance?:rolleyes: It seems that this distance would be known prior to setting up lane size equations.

    #1013906
    Kolohe
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    @baiskeli 98723 wrote:

    As a Bluemont resident, I’m proud to say there’s not much difference sometimes.

    ’twasn’t always the case http://www.bluemontcivic.org/newsletters/BCA_News_199907.pdf

    Quote:
    BCA Opposes Bypass Trail Plan
    The Bluemont Civic Association voiced its opposition to a proposed bypass bicycle trail before a June 28 hearing of the Arlington County Environment and Energy Conservation Committee. Several years ago, BCA adopted a position opposing the trail as proposed, and the Association maintained that position in the June General Membership meeting.
    #1013911
    baiskeli
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    @Steve O 98765 wrote:

    Seems like it’s about a mile, so a million. Not a big number.

    Sure, if you’re only going to do that one mile. But what about the rest of the county? That’s alot more miles. And they will all require digging up the streets to do it.

    Particularly since it would also get rid of the utility poles that are RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the sidewalk. Seriously, one has to literally turn sideways to get past them.
    Amortize over 50 years divided by the number of pedestrians who will be convenienced and it’s less than a penny per. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with that, especially since its (I presume) a trunk line, and burying it could reduce power outages for lots of people in storms. I was referring to your comment about all poles everywhere, not just on a mile of George Mason.

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