The reason fewer US women cycle than the Dutch is not what you think it is.

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  • #1012184
    GB
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    So all we need to do is change our whole culture. Why didn’t we think of that sooner.

    #1012215
    Guus
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    That’s circular logic though. The authors say that:

    “American women’s lives are still disproportionately filled with driving children around, getting groceries, and doing other household chores – housework that doesn’t lend itself easily to two-wheeled transportation. “

    The whole point of introducing protected bicycle infrastructure is exactly that it will allow two-wheeled transportation for those chores. Visiting the grocery store, bringing kids around are all very common by bike in the Netherlands.

    Yes, there are deep cultural differences between the Netherlands and the USA with regards to women in the workforce. But the safety aspect is crucial here: if you don’t feel 100% sure that you’ll be able to safely get to the grocery store with your kids on your bike, you won’t go.

    I live in Arlington, and while the county is doing a decent job improving on the poor existing situation, bicycling to Whole Foods in Clarendon along Wilson or Clarendon can be a harrowing experience. Cars driving 40+ mph, no physical protections, parking at the wrong side of the bicycle lane etc.

    #1012217
    americancyclo
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    My response is mostly anecdotal and personal, so shake it like a salt shaker.

    Why don’t more women in the US bike? Many researchers and advocates chalk it up to differences in risk and comfort. Women are more risk averse than men, the theory goes, and women need better infrastructure to feel comfortable riding.

    I don’t think this is it for our family. My wife works close to our house and a bike trail runs the whole way. she has bike storage, shower facilities and a place to change and keep clothes. She makes her own hours. Sometimes she walks when the weather is nice. She likes bike rides occasionally as a family social event, but isn’t interested in commuting by bike.

    We split kid transporting duties, her in the morning, me in the afternoon. Shopping is usually done together. I’ll take the bike when weather and time permit, but she is most often pressed for time in the morning.

    Even when women earn more, are better educated, and work more hours than their male partners, they still make 1.5 times as many child-serving trips and 1.4 times as many grocery trips.

    the first part is true for us, I’m curious about the second.

    The lack of women on bikes is a symptom of much deeper societal differences that, sooner or later, American urban planners will need to confront. Here are three policy changes that could help shift the culture. First, reduce the burden of housework — and its associated trips — on women. Family-friendly policies such as paid paternity leave make it possible for men to help at home, and they set the pattern for the rest of parenthood.
    Second, step back from our “always-there” work culture, and also pay workers a living wage. Reducing total work hours and encouraging more flexible schedules for men and women alike could free up the time necessary to get around by bike. And imagine what a game-changer it would be if low-income women could work one decently paid job rather than two or three, or if high-income women weren’t expected to be at the office 60-plus hours a week.

    Finally, design communities that everyone — children, parents and grandparents alike — can navigate safely without a car. Local schools, safe streets and easily accessible activities help encourage independent mobility, and reduce the expectation that women need to serve as family chauffeurs.

    The last one seems to be the purview of the urban planner. Not so sure about the the first two. Maybe that’s the problem though.

    #1012222
    baiskeli
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    @americancyclo 97003 wrote:

    She likes bike rides occasionally as a family social event, but isn’t interested in commuting by bike.

    Why isn’t she interested in commuting? That’s the heart of the issue of this thread. It would be great to know her thoughts.

    #1012240
    mstone
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    @baiskeli 97008 wrote:

    Why isn’t she interested in commuting? That’s the heart of the issue of this thread. It would be great to know her thoughts.

    Even in the netherlands the rate of cycling is less than 100%. Getting everyone to use a bike all the time shouldn’t be the goal, and nobody should feel like they have to justify their choice. Success is when the infrastructure is good enough that people can make a simple choice.

    #1012247
    lordofthemark
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    the risk aversion, in some form, is it in my family, and also peer group norms. My wife will usually only bike recreationally until this year she had only biked with me at the beach – I did entice her to ride with me on the G3C Trail, but I don’t think she contemplates riding for transportation. Cause she really worries about the danger (she is often worried about my riding) and also because hardly anyone she interacts with rides. Since she likes to adventure when hiking, I think its more about her perception of the level of danger in biking, than about general risk aversion though. My daughter, OTOH, who is just as danger seeking as her mom, but knows far more about bike safety issues, and whose age cohort is known for biking, is more inclined to bike to get places.

    #1012252
    baiskeli
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    @mstone 97026 wrote:

    Even in the netherlands the rate of cycling is less than 100%. Getting everyone to use a bike all the time shouldn’t be the goal, and nobody should feel like they have to justify their choice. Success is when the infrastructure is good enough that people can make a simple choice.

    Of course. But this thread is about why women don’t commute as often as men, and americancyclo is saying his wife’s choice isn’t about infrastructure or opportunity, so it would be nice to know what she has to say about it.

    #1012255
    baiskeli
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    @lordofthemark 97033 wrote:

    the risk aversion, in some form, is it in my family

    Is it risk of an accident, or crime, or both?

    In my family, I’m probably the one likely to worry about her risk than she does, especially when she rides at night (for both accident and crime worries).

    #1012256
    lordofthemark
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    @baiskeli 97043 wrote:

    Is it risk of an accident, or crime, or both?

    In my family, I’m probably the one likely to worry about her risk than she does, especially when she rides at night (for both accident and crime worries).

    So far, of accidents. My wife has suggested I avoid the MBT because of what she has heard, but as its not on route to anywhere in particular for me, that has not been an issue. She is a little nervous about walking on 4MRT east of Shirlington at dusk, but accepts that biking is probably safer than walking vis a vis crime. WRT to accidents and riding at night, when we last walked through Fairlington after dark, I pointed out to her what a lovely place it is for after dark riding. So I don’t know that its even fear directly – so much. Its more that I don’t think anyone she knows other than me rides for transportation. There is one woman at our synagogue who we know who rides, and she is my wife’s age, but she rides recreationally only, AFAICT.

    Had I not had a work colleague who commuted regularly, I don’t know it would have been as much on my radar – I think peer group modeling is probably a huge thing in explaining the patterns.

    #1012261
    Greenbelt
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    I don’t think the stats have caught up with the number of women bicycling in DC. I get passed by ever greater numbers of women on bikes daily it seems.

    #1012267
    Geoff
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    I think women are more likely to run errands of various kinds on the way home. That’s true in our family anyway. I know there are people on this forum who do all errands by bike, but for me stopping at the store for a few items is a problem – I don’t have the extra carrying capacity for a gallon of milk. Picking up the dry cleaning has the carrying capacity issue also, plus it takes me a few miles out of the way – no problem in a car, but a question of time and energy on the bike. Sometimes I actually feel that my commuting by bike is an act of selfishness.

    #1012272
    hozn
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    @Geoff 97055 wrote:

    Sometimes I actually feel that my commuting by bike is an act of selfishness.

    +1. My commuting by bike definitely limits how useful I can be — how quickly I can get home, how easy it would be for me to “swing by” the grocery store [and still be home by 5:30], etc. It is 100% (or at least 80%, since there is an aspect of economy) an act of selfishness for me but generally I’m able to be productive enough (e.g. picking up my son) without sacrificing the luxury of commuting home by bike. But what a luxury it is.

    #1012273
    lordofthemark
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    On selfishness – in the narrower sense, thats not an issue for me, I am fortunate that way – bike commuting is a substitute for transit commuting, not driving (mostly) so it really doesn’t limit errands on the way. And its not much longer than my transit commute, and of course I hope to ride faster. But for the bigger picture, given my cholesterol and blood sugar numbers, I can easily make the case that I am riding for the sake of my wife and daughter and not for my own pleasure – that’s only partly a lie ;)

    #1012274
    dasgeh
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    There’s so much here.

    One aspect is what this line of reasoning says for the relationship between family biking and women bike. There are some that think that the family biking “movement” should be subsumed in the women bike movement, and others that think that family biking should be a broader movement (raise your hand if your a guy who bikes with kids), but that for women bike to be successful, they’ve got to have a family bike component. (Guess which side I’m on).

    Another is the safety aspect, which others have rightly touched on.

    There’s definitely a peer-group aspect, and when you have kids, the people who influence you include kids, who love biking (recently, a classmate from my daughter’s preschool said to my husband at pick-up, which he does with the bakfiets, “I wish you were my daddy, so I could ride in that bike too!”). Safe Routes to Schools could actually help in this area, as it gets kids learning about bikes in school, where they’re a captive audience. Many kids will like bikes, because they’re fun, and they’re get their families to bike more. Kidical Mass can help here too — come try it in a friendly, safe setting, where someone else has figured out the route for you and others are there to answer questions. There you can meet families who do this a lot, trade tips and routes, try out new equipment, etc.

    @mstone 97026 wrote:

    Success is when the infrastructure is good enough that people can make a simple choice.

    Infrastructure is important, both for safety and for ease of use (turn radiuses work with family bikes, inclines aren’t too steep), but another HUGE aspect is availability of equipment. We need more bike shops that carry and service family bikes and family biking equipment.

    Finally, I think inertia plays a big part of the decision to not to bike. Once someone has done it once, they realize how easy it is. Social rides, Nelle’s mentor system, big events like bike to work day all help with that. Some people respond better to efforts targeted towards their demographic (women, parents, slow, fast, etc), some are happy trying whatever.

    #1012277
    dasgeh
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    @hozn 97060 wrote:

    +1. My commuting by bike definitely limits how useful I can be — how quickly I can get home, how easy it would be for me to “swing by” the grocery store [and still be home by 5:30], etc. It is 100% (or at least 80%, since there is an aspect of economy) an act of selfishness for me but generally I’m able to be productive enough (e.g. picking up my son) without sacrificing the luxury of commuting home by bike. But what a luxury it is.

    Some errands are easier for me to do by bike — stopping in various stores in Clarendon, e.g., where I can park my bike at the door, and be in and out quickly, where in a car it would take longer. But yes, you have to deal with carrying capacity. There are lots of options for that, some of which depend on how far you’ve got from the store to your house.

    Also, bike can serve as workout time, so if the added time of biking < how much time you would spend working out, it's not so selfish...

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