Virginia government shutdown threatened
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April 24, 2014 at 12:48 pm #999403
dasgeh
ParticipantFrom what I’ve heard, Dems aren’t going to blink, so it’s a question of whether Reps will allow Medicaid expansion (providing health care to hundreds of thousands of low income Virginians) or shut down the government.
If you don’t get answers here, you may just email Patrick Hope – he’s pretty responsive and knows about such things.
April 24, 2014 at 2:18 pm #999421Terpfan
ParticipantTo be perfectly honestly, I don’t think I will even notice if they shut down except in the media. I highly doubt they would shut down any trails to commuters because even NPS in their let’s piss off the world mentality didn’t do it.
April 24, 2014 at 2:33 pm #999429mstone
Participantnote: the situation with the trash cans and portajohns will be grim
April 24, 2014 at 2:43 pm #999434dasgeh
Participant@Terpfan 83374 wrote:
To be perfectly honestly, I don’t think I will even notice if they shut down except in the media. I highly doubt they would shut down any trails to commuters because even NPS in their let’s piss off the world mentality didn’t do it.
You must not rely on things like food stamps or medicaid. And live in a region (NoVa) where the schools don’t rely heavily on the Commonwealth.
April 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm #999437lordofthemark
ParticipantI presume the school systems will be able to shuffle funds around (spend more local funds now, and their state funds later – ditto for the public U’s) to get by. Maybe ditto for NVRPA, Im not sure.
But I guess VDOT will shut down everything non-essential – so all road construction, repaving, etc will stop dead. Should create a lot of pressure to get past the shutdown.
Not sure what happens to Medicaid – I guess docs won’t get paid. Will they let patients run up a tab? I thought food stamps were USDA – but is distribution state administered?
April 24, 2014 at 3:48 pm #999442TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantOf course the shutdown would come AFTER finals…
j/k, I’ll take a fully functioning government, even if that means my papers still have to be turned in, thank you very much.
April 24, 2014 at 4:04 pm #999445baiskeli
Participant@lordofthemark 83390 wrote:
Not sure what happens to Medicaid – I guess docs won’t get paid. Will they let patients run up a tab? I thought food stamps were USDA – but is distribution state administered?
FYI, Medicaid is a huge source of support for people with disabilities and mental health impairments, so it could be a major problem for many of them. For many, Medicaid pays for more than health care, it covers housing, daily support like aides or nursing care, etc. I don’t know if a shutdown would affect them though.
April 24, 2014 at 4:06 pm #999446dasgeh
Participant@lordofthemark 83390 wrote:
I presume the school systems will be able to shuffle funds around (spend more local funds now, and their state funds later – ditto for the public U’s) to get by. Maybe ditto for NVRPA, Im not sure.
My understanding is that some school systems in the Commonwealth don’t have enough local funds to shuffle around, and will have to issue pink slips (even if they will rehire those people if/when the money comes in)
April 24, 2014 at 4:09 pm #999449DismalScientist
ParticipantAnd it’s all the Republican fault because the Democrats won’t blink and Republicans don’t have the right to take a similar position.
April 24, 2014 at 4:12 pm #999451lordofthemark
Participant@DismalScientist 83401 wrote:
And it’s all the Republican fault because the Democrats won’t blink and Republicans don’t have the right to take a similar position.
Can we talk about The Rules instead?
April 24, 2014 at 4:12 pm #999452Steve
Participant@TwoWheelsDC 83395 wrote:
I’ll take a fully functioning government
[insert joke about the less than full functioning of the current government]
April 24, 2014 at 4:22 pm #999456baiskeli
Participant@DismalScientist 83401 wrote:
And it’s all the Republican fault because the Democrats won’t blink and Republicans don’t have the right to take a similar position.
I don’t want to hijack the thread, so let’s talk this over with a few beers some day, like we were when the shutdown happened.
April 24, 2014 at 4:25 pm #999457n18
ParticipantThe trial are unlikely to be shutdown, just not maintained, like tree or grass trimming around trials. But you won’t see an effect unless the shutdown takes too long(unlikely).
April 24, 2014 at 6:47 pm #999481Terpfan
Participant@dasgeh 83387 wrote:
You must not rely on things like food stamps or medicaid. And live in a region (NoVa) where the schools don’t rely heavily on the Commonwealth.
You’re correct, I don’t receive SNAP (food stamps is a fairly dated and some would argue, non-pc term) or Medicaid/CHIP benefits as about 12% of Virginians do. I think those on SNAP will certainly notice the difference as the distribution points are toward the beginning of the month. But that’s all the state’s cost is–distribution. It’s a federally funded program. On the Medicaid side of the equation, it’s the providers that will feel the pinch because their payments will be delayed (in theory, non-existent, but in almost all government shutdowns the services rendered are retroactively funded). I doubt those currently seeing patients will turn them away under the premise that Medicaid currently isn’t funded. And those providers will notice the impact depending on their billing timeliness toward the end of the month as the system has never paid out instantaneously. There is also the question of the legality because providing Medicaid requires a state match (50% I think for VA).
The schools in NOVA actually rely on Commonwealth aid significantly less than schools Commonwealth-wide. In FFX’s case, it’s 15.7% of their budget versus 34.8% average statewide (I say state here because FFX’s guide refers to it as state aid, but I tend to agree with your use of Commonwealth as that’s what it is). The dedicated revenue from the sales tax to the school system won’t be affected because it’s a statutory provision (ie, a dedicated fund). And we’re talking about July, when I suspect many systems aren’t in full swing. It’ll have ancillary effect on their facility usage and of course on employees, but on the student body the impact will be largely negligible unless it draws into mid-August.
I think you mistake my honesty for being crass. I feel bad for those impacted, but I don’t think my statement was inaccurate in any sense and I think my feelings toward it are inconsequential. And in another life, I’ve been involved heavily in the budgeting process (albeit, not in VA) so far from aloof, I’m quite aware of the mechanics. The flip side is knowing how you can play around with transfers from various funds, not pay the unfilled pins, and any number of gimmicks that routinely buy you weeks. Anyway, so, I return to my original point in posting in that I do not expect the paths to be an issue.
April 24, 2014 at 9:53 pm #999492sjclaeys
Participant@DismalScientist 83401 wrote:
And it’s all the Republican fault because the Democrats won’t blink and Republicans don’t have the right to take a similar position.
Careful, don’t forget which is the self-designated party of tolerance (unless you don’t agree with it all of the time: http://www.arlnow.com/2014/04/23/arlington-dems-move-to-boot-garvey/)
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