Rush Hour and 16th St.

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  • #994056
    consularrider
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    Sorry, but making your first post on the forum a preaching of your own point of view doesn’t come over very well to me.

    #994057
    TwoWheelsDC
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    @cmacfido 77717 wrote:

    I am fortunate that I am able to bike to work (17th & M NW) from Wheaton MD and the only time I am on a roadway without a designated Bike lane is in downtown Silver Spring for about half a mile. So it amazes me that folks insist on riding on 16th st, sometimes without a helmet, during rush hour. This is one of the busiest and narrow roads in the city and it is downright dangerous. There are designated bike lanes on both 15th and 14th and they don’t impede traffic. Every year there are more accidents involving cyclists on 16th. It is bumper to bumper traffic as well as one of the main routes for buses. Do yourself a favor and take advantage of this city’s excellent accommodation for cyclists, you might just save your own life.

    Sorry to be blunt, but your post is textbook concern trolling. But since I have some spare time….

    1) the helmet issue is a red herring, particularly in this context, but thanks for your concern.

    2) There is no legal requirement to use only roads that have bike lanes. In fact, there is no legal requirement to stay in the bike lanes even on roads that have them.

    3) If 16th is bumper-to-bumper, how do cyclists impede traffic? Sounds like the drivers are taking care of that on their own.

    4) Maybe people are going to points located along 16th and the other roads are less convenient?

    #994058
    DaveK
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    Welcome! I’d be interested to hear more behind the methodology of your study. When you say there are more collisions on 16th St (“accident” implies there’s no one at fault), what data set are you using? Are you considering collisions per cyclist volume, vehicle volume, or both? I’d also love to discuss your calculations for delay. While VISSIM can model cyclist behavior, it’s not always perfect, so if there’s a better microsimulation model out there please let us know! If you’d like to discuss it further in person I’d be happy to meet you in Mt. Pleasant, but I’ll most likely have forgotten my helmet.

    #994062
    jrenaut
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    I’d love to see your route from Wheaton to DC in bike lanes.

    #994065
    Terpfan
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    @jrenaut 77727 wrote:

    I’d love to see your route from Wheaton to DC in bike lanes.

    They may be referring to Wheaton in the broader definition so then hopping on GBT or Sligo Creek. It’s not easy, but it’s kind of possible until Silver Spring where it all sort of melts away.

    #994066
    jrenaut
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    @Terpfan 77730 wrote:

    They may be referring to Wheaton in the broader definition so then hopping on GBT or Sligo Creek. It’s not easy, but it’s kind of possible until Silver Spring where it all sort of melts away.

    What about Silver Spring to DC? 14th and 15th end long before you get close to Silver Spring.

    #994067
    baiskeli
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    Welcome to the forum.

    I think our new members’ point is not that there is a legal requirement for any of this, but that he thinks it would be safer.

    There are different schools of thought on this, cmacfido. Some cyclists think bike lanes only add confusion and new conflicts, and riding like a car is safer, especially in traffic. You’ll see lots of debate on this on various cycling forums including this one. I usually use bike lanes, but I’m very aware of their hazards and I ride defensively in them. For instance, you have to watch out for cars turning across your bike lane who don’t see you, and maybe getting into the main lanes at intersections to avoid them. Also, you have to look out for people opening car doors in your path. A cyclist who doesn’t want to use a bike lane can take any street, but you still have a point that some streets are better than others, even without lanes in the picture. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to choose a low-traffic, bike-friendly option when one is easily available.

    #994069
    Terpfan
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    @cmacfido 77717 wrote:

    I am fortunate that I am able to bike to work (17th & M NW) from Wheaton MD and the only time I am on a roadway without a designated Bike lane is in downtown Silver Spring for about half a mile. So it amazes me that folks insist on riding on 16th st, sometimes without a helmet, during rush hour. This is one of the busiest and narrow roads in the city and it is downright dangerous. There are designated bike lanes on both 15th and 14th and they don’t impede traffic. Every year there are more accidents involving cyclists on 16th. It is bumper to bumper traffic as well as one of the main routes for buses. Do yourself a favor and take advantage of this city’s excellent accommodation for cyclists, you might just save your own life.

    So you’re upset that a fellow cyclist is probably going faster than you on 16th St? Of course that must endanger his or her life somehow. There is no logic to that point. Also, the 15th St Cycletrack, as I’m sure you’re well aware, is one-way for a decent chunk of it and it ends at 16th st basically. Just as many busses run on 14th St (52, 53, 54 and I think one other one) as 16th (S2, S4, S9). If your point was to avoid faster traffic then the option would be 13th. I used to ride the S9 daily and never once saw a cyclist collision or accident along the route, and in fairness, I didn’t see many cyclists on it either. I don’t ride that way frequently, but I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for riding on 16th St–especially given it’s low speed limit and frequent traffic. (And the traffic flow is actually lighter now than in recent years with the closure of Walter Reed).

    #994071
    Terpfan
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    @jrenaut 77731 wrote:

    What about Silver Spring to DC? 14th and 15th end long before you get close to Silver Spring.

    I don’t disagree at all, was just saying it’s possible in a sort of twisted way (not the way this person is talking about). With that said, one could simply ask him/her to explain the claim at Walter Reed alone….

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