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November 19, 2013 at 6:51 pm #986308
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Participant@Tim Kelley 69565 wrote:
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2012/01/overcomplicating-winter-cycling-why-its.html?m=1
I hate articles like this.
“Dressing in layers? Sure. But you know what? People who live in winter climates know that already, for god’s sake. They do it when they walk around the city, taking the bus or train or whatever. So they can probably figure it out when on a bicycle.”
A lot of people *don’t* spend time outside in the winter. If someone is thinking about biking to work as an alternative to driving (a situation which probably describes the vast majority of American commuters thinking of biking), I highly doubt they know how to layer properly for the winter. I sure didn’t.
“Google “winter cycling clothes” yourself and see what comes up. The results are dominated by ‘cyclists’ keen on recruiting, with little advice aimed at regular citizens.”
Um, I get links to REI.com, ebay.com, and performancebike.com. How are REI and ebay not aimed at regular citizens??
“Imagine if the ‘avid bowlers’ controlled the advocacy for bowling”
You mean, imagine if there weren’t *any* advocacy at all? How is that better????
Ugh. My head hurts.
November 19, 2013 at 6:53 pm #986309eminva
ParticipantAlways good to see articles validating Dismal’s wardrobe choices.
I dunno, as I’ve mentioned here before, I was inspired to take up bike commuting nine years ago when I saw “people like me” commuting by bike on the other side of my windshield. I was relating more to the demograpic (middle aged DC commuters) than equipment (bike or wardrobe). I would not have been put off if all of them had been riding state of the art racing bikes and wearing the most expensive technical gear available. I wouldn’t have known the difference. I just wanted what they had — a convenient and sane way to work that got me some exercise to boot.
I built my cycling wardrobe over time. At no point did I go out and drop $1100. I think I started with my running wardrobe, but eventually figured out my jacket didn’t cover my backside when I leaned over the handlebars, so I replaced that, and so forth. I still wear ski sweaters as a base layer. I still have a couple of pair of tights from my running days that I wear in winter.
I wear street clothes when I’m riding around downtown at lunchtime or for short errands in my community. But I suspect our commutes are longer than the average in Copenhagen and it is certainly hotter in summer, so it might not be realistic to expect all of us to commute in our work wardrobe.
On the other hand, I agree that “environmentalism” is not the most effective hook for convincing the masses. But I think sophisticated marketers such as Bike Arlington have already figured that out.
Liz
November 19, 2013 at 7:04 pm #986311guga31bb
Participant@Tim Kelley 69565 wrote:
http://gizmodo.com/can-saying-people-on-bikes-instead-of-cyclists-make-1463886431
Instead, Lantz and many other advocates recommend ditching “cyclists” for a simple yet important replacement: “people on bikes.”
“People who ride bikes” or “people on bicycles” puts the emphasis back on the human activity, says Szczepanski. “We want to put ‘people’ first. We want to make sure that policymakers, motorists […]
Hey, I bet policymakers object to being called that! Can we use “people who make policy” instead? And motorists??? “People in cars or other motorized vehicles”.
Also, I’m going to ask my co-workers to stop calling me an economist (that’s de-humanizing) and instead refer to me as a “person who runs regressions”.
I can identify more with a “person who drives” or a “person who walks” or a “person who uses a wheelchair” or a “person who rides the bus” or a “person on a Segway,” even if I don’t do any of those things, because I understand, even beyond their mode of transit, they’re still people.
You need to re-label everything to realize that people using transportation are, in fact, people??
November 19, 2013 at 7:16 pm #986314TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantCopenhagenize makes my eyes hurt from rolling back into their sockets…
“Anybody who cycles in the winter deserves respect. Anybody who tries to tell the general population that you need anything more than your regular winter clothes to do it… does not.”
Nice strawman, which in my reading is very typical of the “Copenhagenize” crowd. They’ve invented this ELITEist bogeyman that just doesn’t match reality. I don’t think anyone says you “need” specialized clothing. The Civia cycles link referenced says “The clothing recommendation guide provides advice about how to dress for your longer rides where every day clothing would not be sufficient based around our commutes of 10-15 miles.”).
This is how I usually explain it…”depending on your circumstances, you likely already have the clothes you need; but specialized bike clothing can make your commute more comfortable, particularly if it’s long and/or hilly.”
Also, bike-specific clothing allows me to put the wear and tear on clothes that were designed with that activity in mind, whilst keeping me comfortably warm and dry (as opposed to the Copenhagen winter riders, who look freaking miserable). So yes, it may require me to spend some extra money up front, but if I rode wearing a nice suit in the blazing heat of DC winter, or the sloppy mess of a DC winter, I’d have to replace/repair my suits/shirts all the time and I’d have an insane dry-cleaning bill. That’s what works for me, but others may not make the same calculation and I don’t judge them for that.
November 19, 2013 at 7:23 pm #986316PotomacCyclist
ParticipantI started biking after being inspired to start triathlon training while watching the 2008 Summer Olympics, mostly Michael Phelps and the Olympic marathons. (So you could say that I was actually inspired to bike because of Michael Phelps. Really.)
I learned about the environmental benefits later. While I think those are important, that’s not the primary reason why I ride. I do it because it’s enjoyable, whether I’m doing a planned workout or just cruising around on a CaBi and enjoying the fresh air.
As for the comparison with bowling, I think they left out a vital element: beer expenditures. Doesn’t that total more than everything else involved with bowling?
(Disclaimer: I’m not a regular bowler. I used to bowl back in grade school, but I’ve only been to a bowling alley a couple times since then. No, I did not drink beer in grade school.)
NOTE: Speaking of bowling, there will actually be a new bowling alley opening in D.C. shortly. Perhaps in a few weeks, in the Shops at Georgetown Park. Pinstripes is taking over the former food court area, along the canal and Wisconsin Ave.
November 19, 2013 at 8:01 pm #986318DismalScientist
Participant@Tim Kelley 69565 wrote:
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2012/01/overcomplicating-winter-cycling-why-its.html?m=1
Ah… Sweet vindication.:rolleyes:
And to all those believers in specialized equipment: Rule #5.
November 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm #986329lordofthemark
ParticipantI find Copenhagenize to be like the yin to the forrester school of VC’s yang. Somehow both are necessary for balance (in the universe? the force?) but neither is entirely right, and both can be self righteous and annoying (i particularly like Cope on infra, but dislike pieces like this on bike culture – know what I noticed in the pics – a group of 5 cyclists, and the cars were stopping for them. )
I’m pretty sure most folks who start winter biking, are ones who’ve already started biking in better weather, and then one day they wake up, a ride (for whatever purpose) is planned, and its 5 degrees colder than they expected (or have ridden before) and they go “what the hell, why not?” Not from picking up a magazine.
For now I will be biking in the cold in my regular winter clothes, because at the moment I do not own any “kit”. But my regular winter coat is brown though given the infra and driving around here, I will want something brighter soon, and it might as well be designed for biking, eh? I can probably dig up an old circa 1990 REALLY brightly colored ski jacket, but its kinda bulky.
November 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm #986332Amalitza
GuestSo… if you google “winter cycling clothes”, you are going to get a bunch of results for clothes specifically geared towards cycling? In the winter? Really? And a large percentage of those results will be to vendors trying to sell you the stuff? Much of it overpriced and not absolutely necessary? Huh. Imagine that.
wondering if he has ever used google before???:p
November 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm #986333DismalScientist
Participant@lordofthemark 69595 wrote:
my regular winter coat is brown
Use a reflective vest.
(I hope that is not considered specialized equipment:rolleyes:)November 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm #986334lordofthemark
Participantone more point.
In Copenhagen, lots of cyclists bike in the winter. So motorists expect them.
here not only do we get fewer cyclists overall, we especially get fewer in the winter. So motorists are probably less likely to expect a cyclist. Which makes visibility more important. Which means brightly colored clothing is more important.
Also, I do not own a pair of ski goggles. I doubt many people around here do.
November 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm #986335lordofthemark
Participant@DismalScientist 69599 wrote:
Use a reflective vest.
(I hope that is not considered specialized equipment:rolleyes:)I dont see any reflective vests on the cyclists in copenhagen, so I guess it is
November 19, 2013 at 9:36 pm #986339dasgeh
Participant@lordofthemark 69595 wrote:
I can probably dig up an old circa 1990 REALLY brightly colored ski jacket
Please do this. Please.
November 19, 2013 at 9:37 pm #986340consularrider
Participant@DismalScientist 69599 wrote:
Use a reflective vest.
(I hope that is not considered specialized equipment:rolleyes:)Only if it is from Rapha or Assos.
November 19, 2013 at 9:38 pm #986341Amalitza
GuestLess snarkily, I just don’t see the average person thinking about getting a bike to tool around on every now and then googling “winter cycling clothes”, getting all intimidated, throwing up their hands, and saying never mind. Someone who decides to “take up” cycling as a sport might go out one day and buy a bike and a bunch of clothes and accessories and drop a whole bunch of money all down at once, but the people he’s concerned about who might want to ride for short distances for transportation just do not look at sport cyclists and think they’re required to buy all the same stuff in order to ride a bike.
Like Liz, I own a fair amount of cycling clothes, but I didn’t go out and buy $1100 of clothes when I got my first bike. I bought a bike, a lock, and a helmet. Then when I got blisters, I bought gloves. Some time later, when I got tired of running shorts bunching up while I rode, I bought cycling shorts. A couple years later, I decided to try those fancy clip-in pedal thingies. Etc. I think most “regular citizens” he is talking about are like me. They won’t be intimidated by all those links because they are smart enough to know what does and doesn’t apply to what they want to do.
November 19, 2013 at 9:42 pm #98634483b
Participant@DismalScientist 69599 wrote:
Use a reflective vest.
(I hope that is not considered specialized equipment:rolleyes:)When commuting or running errands I just ride around in a black long wool coat. But if I can get motivated to get my camera out, I think I can CRUSH the “Show Us Your Lights” competition!
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