Metro Rush Hour?
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September 10, 2013 at 12:52 pm #980741
consularrider
ParticipantWell, it’s not about a particular station, but about the trains and the system in general. The few times I use Metro to commute, I get on heading west at either Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. Those trains can still be crowded well past 7 pm.
September 10, 2013 at 1:22 pm #980751dasgeh
ParticipantI rarely take Metro, but when I have it’s been West on the Orange line around 7pm. Never seen more than one car crowded.
I agree the times make little sense. Alas, a lot with Metro makes little sense. The good news from Archive station is that you could bike for 15 minutes in whatever direction you were going and it’d probably be a nice ride. Plus you’d save on Metro fare…
September 10, 2013 at 2:18 pm #980782baiskeli
ParticipantRush Hour hours exist so Metro can charge higher fares during that period. So Metro defines it broadly, and not really based on actually traffic.
Maybe you could argue for bikes being allowed during certain times that don’t line up with rush hour, but that could be more confusing.
September 10, 2013 at 3:48 pm #980801dasgeh
Participant@baiskeli 63641 wrote:
Rush Hour hours exist so Metro can charge higher fares during that period. So Metro defines it broadly, and not really based on actually traffic.
Maybe you could argue for bikes being allowed during certain times that don’t line up with rush hour, but that could be more confusing.
The ban on bikes does not line up with Metro’s “peak fare” timing now.
September 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm #980804Terpfan
ParticipantIf you really want to drive Metro nuts, attempt to carry your bike on the escalator when their elevator is out. They will go nuts. I always toy with riding Metro in late hours, but then I realize the 20 minute wait isn’t going to save me more than 10 minutes for $5 of my money. So I always end up biking.
The last time I took my bike on the train I rode the Yellow up to Metro Center. Then saw 45 minute delays for the Red Line. I was going up by Takoma Park and said screw it. The ride only took me 25 minutes or so.
September 10, 2013 at 4:03 pm #980805dasgeh
ParticipantI do find the next bus app useful, as there are times where that will get me home faster.
September 10, 2013 at 4:22 pm #980808mstone
Participant@baiskeli 63641 wrote:
Rush Hour hours exist so Metro can charge higher fares during that period. So Metro defines it broadly, and not really based on actually traffic.
Maybe you could argue for bikes being allowed during certain times that don’t line up with rush hour, but that could be more confusing.
I’d like some evidence before accepting the premise that metro considers rider confusion as a factor when making decisions.
September 10, 2013 at 4:44 pm #980810ShawnoftheDread
Participant@mstone 63667 wrote:
I’d like some evidence before accepting the premise that metro considers rider confusion as a factor when making decisions.
Evidence suggests that they do consider confusion as a factor, and that they utilize a positive correlation: more confusion = better policy.
September 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm #980814Hbenbow
Participant@Terpfan 63663 wrote:
The last time I took my bike on the train I rode the Yellow up to Metro Center. Then saw 45 minute delays for the Red Line. I was going up by Takoma Park and said screw it. The ride only took me 25 minutes or so.
If you don’t mind me asking, what route do you take from Metro Center to Takoma Park? I bike from Takoma to Alexandria in the morning, so when I bike back, I’m usually a bit too worn down to go all the way back. I come down 11th st mostly.
That’s the main reason why I take the metro back.
September 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm #980833Justin Antos
ParticipantHi all! There is some rhyme and reason behind the hours of the the bike restrictions on Metrorail (which are, as dasgeh says, different from peak fare hours). We look at the overall volume of ridership over the course of the day (entries and exits at 15-minute increments) on weekdays, across the rail system. In the PM, entries peak between between 5 and 6pm, at nearly 100,000 riders/hour. By 6:30pm, things are still going strong at about 60,000 entries/hour, with exits peaking about 30 minutes after that, so 7pm seemed about right. Loads can vary by station and line for sure, but as with most rules, simplicity is also important to consistency and enforcement, so we generalize to the system. I can try to put together a data visualization of these numbers if you’re interested?
Justin Antos
WMATA Office of PlanningSeptember 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm #980837dasgeh
Participant@Justin Antos 63693 wrote:
Hi all! There is some rhyme and reason behind the hours of the the bike restrictions on Metrorail (which are, as dasgeh says, different from peak fare hours). We look at the overall volume of ridership over the course of the day (entries and exits at 15-minute increments) on weekdays, across the rail system. In the PM, entries peak between between 5 and 6pm, at nearly 100,000 riders/hour. By 6:30pm, things are still going strong at about 60,000 entries/hour, with exits peaking about 30 minutes after that, so 7pm seemed about right. Loads can vary by station and line for sure, but as with most rules, simplicity is also important to consistency and enforcement, so we generalize to the system. I can try to put together a data visualization of these numbers if you’re interested?
Justin Antos
WMATA Office of PlanningThanks for the response. The flaw in your logic is the assumption that bikes would be getting on in the same places where that last surge is getting off. However, that’s probably incorrect. Those will bikes are probably doing just what those other commuters are doing – getting on near the center and traveling outward. So if you allowed them at 6:30pm, even 6:45pm, they wouldn’t be affecting those already in the system, heading out.
Also, raw numbers are fine, but wouldn’t the better metric be utilization rate? If 60,000 people is really just 80% of the seats filled (no standing), then why not let bikes on?
PS. Given all the recent press about (1) driving to Metro from nearby and (2) crime at Metro stations, allowing more bikes on Metro should be good for Metro: encourage more people to bike to Metro, and let them take their bikes when them to keep safe.
September 10, 2013 at 8:16 pm #980841Hbenbow
Participant@Justin Antos 63693 wrote:
Hi all! There is some rhyme and reason behind the hours of the the bike restrictions on Metrorail (which are, as dasgeh says, different from peak fare hours). We look at the overall volume of ridership over the course of the day (entries and exits at 15-minute increments) on weekdays, across the rail system. In the PM, entries peak between between 5 and 6pm, at nearly 100,000 riders/hour. By 6:30pm, things are still going strong at about 60,000 entries/hour, with exits peaking about 30 minutes after that, so 7pm seemed about right. Loads can vary by station and line for sure, but as with most rules, simplicity is also important to consistency and enforcement, so we generalize to the system. I can try to put together a data visualization of these numbers if you’re interested?
Justin Antos
WMATA Office of PlanningDo you mind if I ask how up-to-date these statistics are? I read an article today that was stating how metro ridership is down http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2013/09/09/metro-ridership-revenue-down/
And if trains are only 60% full at 6:30, wouldn’t that leave a good amount of space for bicyclists to stand? It’s not like they’re taking up seats with having their bike on.
It actually would be great to see a visualization of this data. I am curious to see how much it drops between 6:30 and 7. Thanks.
September 10, 2013 at 8:32 pm #980843TwoWheelsDC
ParticipantI think Metro has struck a reasonable compromise on bikes…I mean, ideally, there’d be a “bike car” or something, but I can understand how the cost of that would be prohibitive. Given how awkward bikes are, how much room they take up, and how dirty they can be, they really just don’t have a place on a full train. Even a 60% full train likely has plenty of people standing, so bikes would still be a potential hazard. As much as I think Metro can be terrible, this is one area where I simply can’t fault their position, particularly since they now allow folding bikes on at all hours.
Now, if only there was some way to keep airport passengers from bringing steamer trunks on board….
September 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm #980844rcannon100
ParticipantHey Justin
If we have your ear, here’s my thought. While I frequently take advantage of bikes on Metro – I frequently have a hard time getting OUT OF metro. Where elevators are more convenient than escalators, pedestrians gravitate to the elevators. Since elevators are our only way out, we cyclists can get boxed out and unable to leave the system.
This happens in Ballston all the time. I go to the elevator on the train platform. The elevator comes down from the mezzanine. And the elevator will already be full of pedestrians wanting to go to street level. And poof I cant get on.
I have had several situations at Ballston where pedestrians box out cyclists. I think the new elevators at Rosslyn are going to make this a problem there too.
Solution. Elevators say give priority to disabled and elderly. Good. How about a second priority for bicycles. Make clear that pedestrians should yield use of the elevators to bicycles (pedestrians are third priority). If bicycles are present, they go first – and pedestrians stay off the elevator till next time (I really dont want to be blamed for my handlebar sticking it to some schmo’s gut because he jammed onto a crowded elevator).
Thanks
B
September 10, 2013 at 9:24 pm #980848DismalScientist
ParticipantI’ve got an even better idea. If you can hoist your bike on your shoulder, you should be able to take the escalator.
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