All the segments on my commute are marked as hazardous
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August 19, 2013 at 1:45 pm #978647
Tim Kelley
ParticipantWhich in particular? I don’t think segments show up in the list if they are marked as hazardous.
August 19, 2013 at 2:03 pm #978669DaveK
ParticipantIf you’re just challenging yourself you could also create private segments.
August 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm #978672birddog
ParticipantHey – great idea!
But it’s also fun to see the ELITE folks and how I match up agains them (poorly).
Any explanation as to why this is happening? I just wanted to check on here before I email Strava…
August 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm #978673PeteD
ParticipantI’ve noticed it too, the steady Hazardization of any segment along the W&OD. Someone’s going through and marking them hazardous, and one can present valid points on both sides of the argument about them being hazardous. I think there’s another thread here somewhere with people discussing this same topic.
Interesting that just about any segment could be listed as hazardous, since you’re on a bike, and you could crash, and there’s cars, and people. For example, the Virginia Lane segments:
http://www.strava.com/segments/4546867
– Hazardous, since I guess you could crash or be hit by a car on a street, especially when climbing the hill on a 2 lane highway with a couple of right hand bends.http://www.strava.com/segments/1129134
– Not Hazardous, since you’re actually on a road, and not a trail, just like the one above, and those right handers provide a big sight line.http://www.strava.com/segments/1596546
– Also not Hazardous, as it’s a shorter route, that doesn’t include the very hazardous bit of bridge that crosses over I-66, as you might be distracted and crash looking at all the lemmings sitting in their shiny metal boxes.I can understand the marking of segments in well traveled parts of the W&OD as hazardous; there’s no reason for providing ELITE Stravathletes a reason to ride fast, but marking routes as hazardous that are uphill climbs on a paved road… That’s silly.
–Pete
August 19, 2013 at 2:20 pm #978674Tim Kelley
Participant@birddog 61364 wrote:
Hey – great idea!
But it’s also fun to see the ELITE folks and how I match up agains them (poorly).
Any explanation as to why this is happening? I just wanted to check on here before I email Strava…
Just noticed that a few of my favorites have been marked….yeah, send them an email. I’ll send one too.
August 19, 2013 at 5:03 pm #978702JorgeGortex
Participant@birddog 61364 wrote:
Hey – great idea!
But it’s also fun to see the ELITE folks and how I match up agains them (poorly).
Any explanation as to why this is happening? I just wanted to check on here before I email Strava…
I would agree with you for the same reasons, and I’ve had a segment of my commute along the WO&D flagged. I think there is someone acting as the WO&D police on Strava who needs to mind their own business…
August 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm #978703Vicegrip
Participant@Tim Kelley 61366 wrote:
Just noticed that a few of my favorites have been marked….yeah, send them an email. I’ll send one too.
let us know what comes of it. I discussed this with Strava regarding one segment that was on the W&OD and one that was on a street. Both were uphill nether had a cross street, stop sign blind curve or the like. The reply was that someone posted that the W&OD has a 15 mph speed limit and the street one had a blind curve. I replied that there is not a speed limit on the W&OD, included a corroborating link and noted the street segment is a long slow uphill curve and not blind in any way. They came back with they can’t do anything as they can’t tell who is right, me or the flaggers. Sad to say there are still a bunch of truly dumb segments untouched by this arbitrary system of sourpuss rule. I can follow the no MUPs idea just fine but if so it should be the entire MUP not as seen fit by random YJAs. The street one was just outright stupid. It was a 8000+ number of times traveled type, followed the Strava guidelines to the T and was simply killed off.
I am not a KOM krazy in any way. in fact the two segments I liked were both well traveled by very fast folks and I had no chance of ether one. Like many others I like to have some silly little made up goal to play with while cranking the pedals around on the way to or from. OTOH I noted that my favorite hill segment was reborn as another slightly changed segment and repopulated.
Strava without good time and number of times traveled segments is just a Sweaty Facebook of sorts.
August 19, 2013 at 5:43 pm #978705birddog
ParticipantStrava is just a sweaty facebook haha!
Very true!!!
August 19, 2013 at 5:57 pm #978704Tim Kelley
Participant@Vicegrip 61395 wrote:
let us know what comes of it. I discussed this with Strava regarding one segment that was on the W&OD and one that was on a street. Both were uphill nether had a cross street, stop sign blind curve or the like. The reply was that someone posted that the W&OD has a 15 mph speed limit and the street one had a blind curve. I replied that there is not a speed limit on the W&OD, included a corroborating link and noted the street segment is a long slow uphill curve and not blind in any way. They came back with they can’t do anything as they can’t tell who is right, me or the flaggers. Sad to say there are still a bunch of truly dumb segments untouched by this arbitrary system of sourpuss rule. I can follow the no MUPs idea just fine but if so it should be the entire MUP not as seen fit by random YJAs. The street one was just outright stupid. It was a 8000+ number of times traveled type, followed the Strava guidelines to the T and was simply killed off.
I am not a KOM krazy in any way. in fact the two segments I liked were both well traveled by very fast folks and I had no chance of ether one. Like many others I like to have some silly little made up goal to play with while cranking the pedals around on the way to or from. OTOH I noted that my favorite hill segment was reborn as another slightly changed segment and repopulated.
Strava without good time and number of times traveled segments is just a Sweaty Facebook of sorts.
New segments can recreated on the same sections again. But then they could just as easily be flagged again.
August 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm #978723Vicegrip
Participant@Tim Kelley 61398 wrote:
New segments can recreated on the same sections again. But then they could just as easily be flagged again.
And thus the silly season starts. I can see where Strava is coming from and I too don’t want to be a part of something that encourages dangerous activities. OTOH someone can simply ride around and then with a click 0 out all the segments on his/her ride just for some personal grudge against whatever. It will be interesting to see what/where/how Strava evolves over the next 10 years.
August 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm #978724mstone
Participant@Vicegrip 61419 wrote:
And thus the silly season starts. I can see where Strava is coming from and I too don’t want to be a part of something that encourages dangerous activities. OTOH someone can simply ride around and then with a click 0 out all the segments on his/her ride just for some personal grudge against whatever. It will be interesting to see what/where/how Strava evolves over the next 10 years.
smart money says strava will be gone and forgotten in 10 years.
August 19, 2013 at 11:53 pm #978729btj
ParticipantI believe there have been multiple lawsuits against Strava relating to hazardous segments and people getting hurt / killed trying to get a KOM. With that frame of mind it makes sense to have some way to mark the truly dangerous segments BUT I think it only takes a single person to flag a segment to get it marked as hazardous. So one person could take down a ton of segments.
What I think they should do is require multiple people flagging a segment for it to be hazardous.
August 20, 2013 at 12:04 am #978730hozn
Participant@mstone 61420 wrote:
smart money says strava will be gone and forgotten in 10 years.
I am sure the same was said about Facebook 10 years ago. Sure the internet is volatile, but 10 years ain’t what it used to be. And Strava has a lot of momentum (i.e. users and data).
Strava won’t last forever, but there is no indication that it is getting less popular. Moreover, it has changed how [many] people ride, talk about rides, find new rides, and train. So its impact has been made and other tools will continue to try to compete in this social/competitive cycling space.
Strava’s new route planner that incorporates route popularity is a brilliant feature (and long overdue).
August 20, 2013 at 12:27 am #978731mstone
Participantmyspace
August 20, 2013 at 1:25 am #978736hozn
Participant@mstone 61427 wrote:
myspace
Well played
But I would argue that it’s only because there were better options that did everything myspace did (and more, better). I just don’t see the parallel with Strava. Other than delivering features slowly, they don’t seem to be doing things horribly wrong. It’s a wonderful site to use when compared with monstrosities like the mapmyride sites.
I do suspect that the emphasis is going to change from segment KOMs to more generally applicable social features. Perhaps the new route planning feature is a step in that direction.
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