Bike Buying Advice Needed for a Tough Customer
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March 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm #963829
vvill
ParticipantGet something you can ride when he’s done with it! Then you can justify a nicer bike.
For the C&O – I personally find it a bit jarring especially on my wrists, etc. so I’d want something with either some basic suspension (heavy) or a nicer fork, maybe a more comfort oriented road/touring bike? Obviously it would have to be something that could take wider tires since they’ll help improve the ride too.
March 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm #963830KelOnWheels
Participant@eminva 45271 wrote:
-Most tricky of all, how do we know what size to get? A high end bike fitting seems kind of pointless when fit is a moving target for him, and I don’t want to go to a bike shop to get the free eyeball fitting because (a) that wouldn’t be fair if we weren’t going to buy a bike there and (b) I haven’t had much success with that method in the past, personally.
I was just reading this series of articles on fitting that seem pretty helpful: http://biketouringnews.com/what-size-touring-bike/
(the TL;DR version: PBH x .66 or .67 should give you a good idea of ETT to shoot for)
March 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm #963834krazygl00
ParticipantMy vote would be for a ‘cross bike. Should be sturdy enough for a kid’s abuse and makes a good all ’rounder. You can put road tires on it and do longer distances or keep the CX tires on for rides like C&O. Buy used, sell used (CL being the preferred marketplace for this) to avoid loss due to depreciation. If he’s already 5’7 he should be well within the range to find some really good quality adult CX bikes and if you keep an eye open you may be able to find a deal. You can justify the cash outlay either with VVill’s approach :p or with the promise that you can sell it for a minor depreciation when he’s outgrown it. Do some measurements and get an idea of what size you’ll need then scout out CL.
Dittos to Kel, there are plenty of good online fit calculators; it would probably be best to check out as many as possible and get a feel for what will work for you. With a little research on the basic approaches and some time spent actually getting some measurements (don’t go by pants inseam; it should actually be measured), you should be able to get quite a good fit without having to pay for it, which I agree is not a great idea for a “moving target”. Certainly better than they were back in the day. When I was around 12 getting my first ten-speed, the fitting was “Here kid…can you stand over this bike? Great, that’s a fit!” I rode that bike into my twenties
Here are some other good fit calculators:
Colorado Cyclist – a mainstay, been around for a long time.
Competitive Cyclist – I like this one because it explains three different types of fit (via the “The Traditions of Road Riding and Our Three Styles of Road Fit” link on the page). If you go with a French fit it will allow for growth.March 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm #963835mstone
ParticipantWhat size are you looking at (what size is the one just outgrown)? In general terms, I’d tend to avoid drop bars for kids because they grow too fast & fine tuning the fit is hard. So that eliminates most of what’s marketed as “touring”. Trekking bars on a more upright frame are a possibility if you want more hand positions, or bar ends. I guess I’d start by thinking through the desired functionality. Are you going to make him carry stuff? (Rack?) How much? (Front rack?) Fenders? For the towpath, anything with tires over about an inch (like 32mm) is fine. But where else do you ride? For off road mountain trails, lean toward an MTB. For most of the local trails, skip the suspension and knobbies.
edit to add: just saw the height in your PS–you’re into adult bike territory, which really opens things up. I’d still hold to what I said about avoiding drop bars for someone at that age, unless they’re planning to race. I’d look at things like the Trek FX, Surly Troll, Jamis Coda, etc (disclaimer: referencing features & functionality, not necessarily the amount I’d spend on my kids bikes unless I got a sweet deal used
). Basically, the kind of bikes that would make decent commuters.
March 4, 2013 at 8:00 pm #963841mstone
ParticipantI’m an idiot–the choice is obvious: find a deal on a cannondale bad boy!
March 4, 2013 at 9:35 pm #963843KelOnWheels
Participant@krazygl00 45280 wrote:
…the fitting was “Here kid…can you stand over this bike? Great, that’s a fit!” I rode that bike into my twenties
I’m still riding that bike
March 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm #963849vvill
ParticipantI sort of agree about dropbars. They’re not the most immediately intuitive and braking isn’t always easy if you’re new to them. Drops aren’t super useful on the C&O either, I’d probably go with bar extensions if I wanted extra hand positions on a flat bar.
Dropbars are one reason I didn’t list a CX bike. The other reasons are: they tend to be pricier because they are “race” bikes and have fancier brifters, STIs etc, and being racier they *tend* to be more stiff than comfortable (same goes for racy road bikes – in general). Also they typically come with a CX double (46-36 or similar) which may not be low enough if you’re carrying stuff with you offroad.
A flat-bar road/hybrid bike might be a good option. I rode heavy MTBs everywhere until 2005 when I bought my first 700c bike (it’s now my SS/FG). It’s quite light since the frame is virtually the same as a road bike, but it can fit 32s. And it’s easy to upgrade the wheels later on if you want.
Sizing wise I guess I’d target something that’s matches around his height, or a bit taller so if he grows it’ll still be okay.
March 5, 2013 at 12:45 am #963850Jason B
Participant[QUOTE= I’d look at things like the Trek FX, Surly Troll, Jamis Coda, etc (disclaimer: referencing features & functionality, not necessarily the amount I’d spend on my kids bikes unless I got a sweet deal used
). Basically, the kind of bikes that would make decent commuters.
I am a big fan of these ‘fit bikes’ as great beginner bike. They have the speed that a kid would want, and still can be rough and tumble with them without the weight. I have seen the FX’s on centuries and on the c&o all the time. Many of the high school kids use them. The CX bikes are great but are hard to find at a decent price, fit bikes are pretty common on Craigslist list.
March 5, 2013 at 1:30 am #963854eminva
ParticipantExcellent advice, all. There seem to be a lot of good options and several ways you can go. We will start with the measuring and go from there. Thanks!
Liz
March 5, 2013 at 2:59 am #963865dcv
ParticipantHey Liz, I’d vote CX. My son is around the same age, I found a couple of great deals on CL for him over the years. I got him a cannondale bad boy XS a few yrs ago and he loved it, but he complained about hand / wrist fatigue on longer rides. Then I found a Specialized Tricross on CL, he loved the drop bars on the first ride. I think the multiple hand positions helps him go farther / harder up hills. I’ve taken him on the CCT behind Oak Marr on the CX, he didn’t enjoy it so much but he was able to make it through.
I’m a CL addict, will look for a 52cm CX bike for you. Let me know if I’m off on the size based on your measurements. I’d go one size smaller than a road bike for CX. I have a few bars, stems, seat posts and saddles to help dial in the fit.
March 5, 2013 at 6:57 pm #963905Jason B
ParticipantIt is one of the lower FX’s, but more than enough bike for a 12y-o. Not sure on the size, never understand mnt sizing
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/3660322898.htmlMarch 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm #963909krazygl00
ParticipantHere is a Jamis Coda that went up this morning. Looks like it is about the right size for someone 5’7:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/3637244037.html
March 5, 2013 at 8:41 pm #963914consularrider
Participant@krazygl00 45361 wrote:
Here is a Jamis Coda that went up this morning. Looks like it is about the right size for someone 5’7:
The 17.5 size does not correspond with Jamis info (sizes are 15, 17, 19, 21, and 23) and the wheels are 700, not 18.” The current MSPR for a 2013 is $540 with City Bikes listing on line at $550 and EMS at $560. Bikenetics on Broad St in Falls Church also handles Jamis, but I don’t think I’ve seen a Coda on their display floor. I would check to see if a local shop has a discounted 2012 or earlier model still in stock before paying $350 for a used bike. I’d also think a 19 might be a better fit for a growing 12 year old.
I think the 15 inch Trek FX 2 listed by Jason B is going to be too small (that’s the size of my 5’4″ wife’s bike).
A simiar type bike is the Kona Dew series (lowest MSRP is $479).
I’m about 5’7″ and have an 18 Raleigh M60 (slightly small) and a medium Giant Transend (just about right).
March 5, 2013 at 8:57 pm #963915DaveK
Participant@consularrider 45366 wrote:
The 17.5 size does not correspond with Jamis info (sizes are 15, 17, 19, 21, and 23) and the wheels are 700, not 18.” The current MSPR for a 2013 is $540 with City Bikes listing on line at $550 and EMS at $560. Bikenetics on Broad St in Falls Church also handles Jamis, but I don’t think I’ve seen a Coda on their display floor. I would check to see if a local shop has a discounted 2012 or earlier model still in stock before paying $350 for a used bike. I’d also think a 19 might be a better fit for a growing 12 year old.
I think the 15 inch Trek FX 2 listed by Jason B is going to be too small (that’s the size of my 5’4″ wife’s bike).
A simiar type bike is the Kona Dew series (lowest MSRP is $479).
I’m about 5’7″ and have an 18 Raleigh M60 (slightly small) and a medium Giant Transend (just about right).
I know for a fact that Proteus still has at least one 2012 Coda in stock…
March 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm #963918KelOnWheels
Participant@consularrider 45366 wrote:
I’m about 5’7″ and have an 18 Raleigh M60 (slightly small) and a medium Giant Transend (just about right).
I’m 5’7 1/2″ with a 31 3/4″ PBH and my Giant Rincon is an 18.
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