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  • #962575
    Bilsko
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    Perhaps they’re resuming construction on TR Island? Don’t know – just one explanation that comes to mind…

    #962592
    Steve
    Participant

    I have a hard time getting too mad about this one. All the barriers do is force you to stay on the bike trail and not cut thru a parking lot. It seems reasonable that when provided a paved MUP about two feet away, NPS or whoever doesn’t want you to ride thru the parking lot.

    #962594
    mstone
    Participant

    It would be reasonable if the trail wasn’t a sidewalk with a bunch of right angles, narrow, and covered with pedestrians, and the parking lot wasn’t the safer path.

    #962595
    Steve
    Participant

    I think the right angle turns are a fair way to slow bike traffic thru and area with a lof of people and congestion. I’ve said it before on here, if we are going to advocate for many streets to have a tight turning radius to slow cars down, that we also have to accept them when appropriate for bikes. Every bike route shouldn’t be a bike highway. There are cars, lots of peds, different activities (kayaks drop in here, fishing, etc), and bikes going thru a fairly small area here. Slowing things down a little doesn’t seem out of line to me.

    #962600
    mstone
    Participant

    I didn’t advocate racing through the lot at high speed, but I don’t see the point in running into people as I’m trying to execute multiple sharp turns on a sidewalk when there’s an alternative that involves going straight and avoiding the people standing around; even at slow speeds, the turns are dangerously tight with people present. you’d have a point if the turns were there as a traffic calming measure, but AFAICT they’re there because they didn’t want to inconvenience the cars in favor of the path (as usual).

    I know people have said before that we need to bend over backward in hopes that it will suddenly make motorists like us better, but I think I could rip off my Jersey and start flagellating myself in atonement for using a bike, and it wouldn’t make a whit of difference in the attitude of that fraction of motorists who is going to hate us no matter what. so I’m not going to waste my time worrying about them, and will instead focus on what’s safest for me and any more-vulnerable road users.

    #962606
    TwoWheelsDC
    Participant

    I was having a hard time envisioning what Bob was talking about, since the barriers weren’t there yesterday morning when I rode through. I found out today….That’s really annoying. In the morning that parking lot is empty, so it’d definitely the easiest and safest way to navigate through there. Otherwise I have to negotiate that sharp turn, usually with a runner or two there to complicate things. I think if you ask peds, they’d also say they prefer cyclists ride through the lot rather than on that whole stretch of trail from the end of the GWMP overpass to the start of the troll.

    #962618
    consularrider
    Participant

    One of the other problems with the current placement is that two of the jersey barriers partially block a portion of the MVT – for no reason.

    Also on the issue of the two right angle turns, the trail is so narrow at those locations that it is very difficult for bikes to pass in opposite directions on those turns. The “safety” issue of bikes vs cars in the parking should be a non-issue because there are still hundreds of runners and walkers who don’t bother with the trail on that section. In general the only time there are a significant number of cars to interact with is on Saturday and Sunday mornings when those self-same walkers and runners are parking their cars there to go for a run/walk on the MVT or visit the Island.

    #962619
    dasgeh
    Participant

    Also, the position of the trail, trees, etc where the trail crosses the roadway makes it VERY hard for drivers to see who’s crossing. I didn’t realize how hard it was until I was driving there a few months back — even looking for peds and cyclists, it was hard to see them.

    The roadway is by far the safest path through the area. There’s a barrier down this morning; I imagine it will scoot itself over by the afternoon.

    #962621
    TwoWheelsDC
    Participant

    @dasgeh 43973 wrote:

    There’s a barrier down this morning; I imagine it will scoot itself over by the afternoon.

    I would’ve moved it this morning, but there was a Park Police cruiser idleing in the parking lot.

    #962624
    rcannon100
    Participant

    I go through in the morning – the parking lot is empty. I go through in the evening – the parking lot is empty.

    The “bike path” has two 90 degree turns in it that force people into a single file. I see people fail to navigate that turn all the time. It’s dangerous. It not a reasonable solution to cyclists biking through the parking lot.

    A reasonable solution has been talked about before – and that’s connecting the bike path from the south end of the parking lot to the north end – so that there is no parking lot crossing at all. GWNPS just renovated that park – but of course they failed to provision for cyclists – even tho we have been talking to them constantly.

    During peak hours when the parking lot is full, the parking lot is still safer. Pedestrians, dogs, car bumpers, fisher dudes, et all are on the paths there. It is a fundamentally unsafe area – and where it is unsafe I want as much room between me and whatever else is there as possible – that’s down the center of the parking lot.

    But again, for commuters – the parking lot is empty and the jersey barriers create a real danger.

    #962629
    bobco85
    Participant

    While I have a hard time supporting the jersey barriers, I understand why they would be placed there. That spot is an area where pedestrians will be gathering themselves, checking out the map info before they head across the bridge, and generally standing around. It makes sense for the barriers to be there to guide faster traffic, i.e. cyclists, away from that area when it gets crowded.

    The 90 degree turns on the MVT are terrible. I think many harrowing (at slow speeds, too) near-misses occur because bikes have a larger turning radius than pedestrians, so 90 degree turns make no sense. If they were to widen those turns and make them curved, I think it would make things a lot safer for everyone.

    If I had my way, I would either: 1) make the trail there wider and make the turns more curvy or 2) have the jersey barriers set up only during peak Roosevelt Island visiting hours and remove them every evening.

    #962632
    mstone
    Participant

    @bobco85 43983 wrote:

    If I had my way, I would either: 1) make the trail there wider and make the turns more curvy or 2) have the jersey barriers set up only during peak Roosevelt Island visiting hours and remove them every evening.

    Or, place the barriers in such a way as to provide a safe gathering area without blocking through traffic. But sense there’s no public rationale for why the barriers are there, it’s only speculation about whether they’re for pedestrian protection vs spite against cyclists.

    #962636
    rcannon100
    Participant

    @bobco85 43983 wrote:

    While I have a hard time supporting the jersey barriers, I understand why they would be placed there.

    According to official statements from NPS, that’s not why they are put there. They were put there because of construction traffic. The problem is that it has a rather significant impact on the safety of cyclists.

    #962643
    Steve
    Participant

    @rcannon100 43990 wrote:

    According to official statements from NPS, that’s not why they are put there. They were put there because of construction traffic. The problem is that it has a rather significant impact on the safety of cyclists.

    As would construction traffic?

    Look, I’m not saying I like them. That wasn’t the intent of my original post. And when they aren’t there, I typically ride thru the parking lot, though not if the lot entrance is blocked by people stretching or riding up the other way. But I guess I just think in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t seem like that big a deal to me. Maybe I’m wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. To call the danger of the barriers or the right turns “significant” just doesn’t quite add up to my experiences. The barriers are easy to see, and the turns, though tight and narrow, I’ve never seen a wreck, not that have to wait for a wreck to fix something. Again, I know it’s not ideal, and it should be fixed probably, but in the list of things on my commute I’d like to see changed, this isn’t even close to the top of the list.

    1. Remove the many broken bottles on the Douglass Bridge and path to JBAB. Like, they’re everywhere.
    2. Remove the sand from the base of the Douglas Bridge (courtesy of the sand/gravel place at the northwest end of the bridge)
    3. Remove gravel from a continuously growing number of Arlington bike lanes, typically near construction zones (Veitch from Lee to Wilson, Fairfax by GMU campus, Wilson by Earl’s in Courthouse, etc.)
    4. Pave over vertical cuts on Calrendon Blvd bike lane from basically Highland to just beyond Barton (puts my in the lane all the way thru Clarendon each morning).

    #962646
    mstone
    Participant

    @rcannon100 43990 wrote:

    They were put there because of construction traffic.

    What does that even mean? “Our contractors are too dumb to not drive off the end of the parking lot”?

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