Metro amends policy on folding bicycles

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  • #951266
    Certifried
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    Now, if they would only amend their policy about no bikes during rush, I would be SO happy. I know that could be a nightmare if not done properly, but aren’t there other cities with large transit systems that allow bikes? At least adjust the hours a little bit, I’ve hopped on at 7pm on days when I just don’t have enough in the tank to get home, and it seems like 7pm is WAY later than it needs to be.

    #951270
    KelOnWheels
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    @Certifried 31182 wrote:

    Now, if they would only amend their policy about no bikes during rush, I would be SO happy. I know that could be a nightmare if not done properly, but aren’t there other cities with large transit systems that allow bikes? At least adjust the hours a little bit, I’ve hopped on at 7pm on days when I just don’t have enough in the tank to get home, and it seems like 7pm is WAY later than it needs to be.

    Or just make the last car of the train the People With Stuff car and take half the seats out. Then everybody with a giant triple-wide baby stroller or a huge rolly suitcase or a bike or whatever won’t be in the way of all the other people.

    #951271
    rcannon100
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    I thought the whole reason we rode bikes was so that we didnt have to ride the subway !! :rolleyes:

    #951274
    KelOnWheels
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    @rcannon100 31187 wrote:

    I thought the whole reason we rode bikes was so that we didnt have to ride the subway !! :rolleyes:

    My non-bike commute this morning did not fill me with love for my fellow man, that’s for sure.

    #951285
    GuyContinental
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    I note that they weren’t specific on the size of folding bike… Slingshot anyone?

    #951286
    rcannon100
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    Tim, how did Metro’s revision of policy come about?

    #951291
    Certifried
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    @rcannon100 31187 wrote:

    I thought the whole reason we rode bikes was so that we didnt have to ride the subway !! :rolleyes:

    Not all of us live within an easily bike-able distance of our work. I’m making seriously attempts, and progress, to commute by bike. I’ve even managed to cut about 10 miles off by using the Metro bus system. It’s still ~24 miles, one way. If I could cut another 5 miles by using the Metro I would be able to commute every day, rather than just about 2-3 days a week.

    Of course, the problem with Metro is that it’s already pretty much at capacity, especially with the trains lasting 1/2 the maintenance period they want (http://unsuckdcmetro.blogspot.com/2012/09/its-trains-stupid.html). So, allowing bikes during rush would probably attract many more passengers, with bikes that would really fill the cars already at standing only room.

    Interestingly, when I worked in Suitland, it took about 1:20 to ride Metro (red line from Med center to green line/suitland). I could bike to work (mostly down the CCT) in about 1:30. I’m sure if I was doing that commute today, I could do it faster (in much better shape now). Of course, I’d love to find a job in downtown DC, but I take what I can get!

    #951298
    mstone
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    @Certifried 31182 wrote:

    Now, if they would only amend their policy about no bikes during rush, I would be SO happy. I know that could be a nightmare if not done properly, but aren’t there other cities with large transit systems that allow bikes? At least adjust the hours a little bit, I’ve hopped on at 7pm on days when I just don’t have enough in the tank to get home, and it seems like 7pm is WAY later than it needs to be.

    There are other transit systems that don’t allow bikes at any time. We’ve been all over this issue before, and I’m still fairly convinced that inviting bikes during rush hours would just end up in someone dead in some of the stations with overcrowded platforms. (The response that some stations/lines/directions aren’t crowded is relevant only if metro were capable of enforcing a rule requiring that much judgement, and people never tried to bend a safety rule for their personal convenience.)

    #951315
    Tim Kelley
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    @rcannon100 31203 wrote:

    Tim, how did Metro’s revision of policy come about?

    I’m unsure of the process, but my guess would be it’s part of Metro’s recent initiatives to improve biking conditions. I know that there are several WMATA staff members who are sympathetic to cyclists.

    Google Search.

    #951319
    TwoWheelsDC
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    BART in San Francisco experimented with allowing bikes on rush hour trains…they allowed it on Fridays throughout the month of August to gauge the feasibility of expanding bikes-allowed hours (their rules are similar to Metro). Results aren’t in yet, but the BART board will announce the results maybe in November.

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-test-to-allow-bikes-on-every-train-3755889.php

    #951376
    Certifried
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    @mstone 31215 wrote:

    There are other transit systems that don’t allow bikes at any time. We’ve been all over this issue before, and I’m still fairly convinced that inviting bikes during rush hours would just end up in someone dead in some of the stations with overcrowded platforms. (The response that some stations/lines/directions aren’t crowded is relevant only if metro were capable of enforcing a rule requiring that much judgement, and people never tried to bend a safety rule for their personal convenience.)

    oh yeah, the many dead passengers on the NYC subway, right, forgot about those.

    They’ve even licensed some folding bikes since those don’t cause deaths
    http://www.citizenbike.com/mta_metrobike_by_citizen_bike.asp

    #951382
    mstone
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    @Certifried 31296 wrote:

    oh yeah, the many dead passengers on the NYC subway, right, forgot about those.

    The NYC platform design doesn’t seem to lead to the same sort of dangerous overcrowding. Sure they’re crowded, but the pillars, etc., form natural places for people to just stop or shelter rather than relentlessly sliding closer to the edge. The mezzanines have also turned out to form a clear area where people can make it through the faregate and onto an escalator, then just get shoved into the crowd. In NYC when things fill up you’re not going to make it through the faregate. At least at the core stations, and probably system-wide, metro will probably have to eventually put up automatic doors on the platform. That will cost a ton of money, will require them to figure out to run automatic train control, and will not happen anytime soon. Once that’s done, then it will be reasonable to talk about putting more stuff on the platforms.

    It’s facile to just say “someone else did it, we should do it too”; you need to look at each system’s design (and flaws) and plan accordingly. And, as you pointed out yourself, the system is already at capacity, so there’s not a lot of incentive to spend money to lower capacity by replacing packed cars with cars packed with a smaller number of fare-paying customers + bikes.

    #952198
    eminva
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    I tested Metro’s new policy today. Due to schedule issues, I could ride in, but not home. I rode my folding bike to work this morning. In the afternoon, I folded it up and took it to Farragut West. The station attendant did not know about the new policy, so I showed her the announcement on Metro’s website on my smart phone. She thanked me and asked if I could print a copy for her and bring it to her at my convenience.

    I had decided in advance to wait for an uncrowded train (for good will and my own comfort/convenience), but the first train that came had plenty of space for me and the folded bike. The train never got crowded, so I don’t think I was inconveniencing anyone. When I exited at Vienna, the station attendants also did not know about the policy, so I got out my smart phone again, and promised to bring hard copy next time I’m through.

    All in all it was a success. I would recommend bringing hard copies of the policy for station attendants, though.

    Liz

    #952199
    vvill
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    @eminva 32178 wrote:

    All in all it was a success. I would recommend bringing hard copies of the policy for station attendants, though.

    Liz

    Good to hear! Sounds like GuyContinental’s advice was well-founded:

    http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?3027-9-18-bring-your-steel-umbrella&p=31313#post31313

    #952205
    mstone
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    @eminva 32178 wrote:

    The station attendant did not know about the new policy, so I showed her the announcement on Metro’s website on my smart phone. She thanked me and asked if I could print a copy for her and bring it to her at my convenience.

    It sounds like a positive interaction, but WMATA’s organizational challenges are mind-boggling.

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