Cyclist Ticketed for Getting Hit At Custis/Lynn Intersection

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    baiskeli
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    Is there really a stop sign there? I’ve never once noticed it.

    Are we really supposed to stop for it?

    It’s ambiguous and confusing, and it should be fixed.

    My new policy is to never cross there except on the green part of the walk signal, so I should be okay anyway, legally and bodily.

    #929795
    OneEighth
    Participant

    As I understood it, the cyclist here crossed with the walk signal and was still ticketed for failing to stop before crossing. This is a similar set-up to what you see on the W&OD where there are stop signs at intersections that also have walk signals.

    #929796
    Dirt
    Participant

    The comment about “once you enter the intersection you become a vehicle” is not exactly right either. It isn’t legal for “vehicles” to drive in the cross walk across the street.

    #929797
    OneEighth
    Participant

    Yeah, there is some seriously questionable judgement here and is, frankly, a very bad precedent with serious implications for everyone who uses the trail.

    #929798
    jrenaut
    Participant

    @Dirt 7733 wrote:

    The comment about “once you enter the intersection you become a vehicle” is not exactly right either. It isn’t legal for “vehicles” to drive in the cross walk across the street.

    It’s like the law is perpetuating the common driver complaint that bikes are cars when they want to be and pedestrians when they want to be. The law randomly chooses when to consider a bike a car and when to consider it, I don’t know, a target?

    #929799
    baiskeli
    Participant

    @Dirt 7733 wrote:

    The comment about “once you enter the intersection you become a vehicle” is not exactly right either. It isn’t legal for “vehicles” to drive in the cross walk across the street.

    Exactly – even if bikes are vehicles on the street and subject to vehicle laws there, this is a joint bike/pedestrian trail crossing controlled by a walk signal that can’t really be used any other way. Saying you’re a vehicle there makes no sense.

    #929800
    Dirt
    Participant

    @OneEighth 7734 wrote:

    Yeah, there is some seriously questionable judgement here and is, frankly, a very bad precedent with serious implications for everyone who uses the trail.

    And people wonder why I call out “We’re all gonna die!” as I enter that intersection EVERY SINGLE DAY????

    To be completely fair, there are a remarkable number of cyclists who cross that intersection carrying way too much speed with their faith that having the green light will somehow protect them.

    Simply having the correct attitude (for instance: assuming that no car sees you and that they will definitely not stop before hitting you) can definitely increase one’s lifespan in the Rosslyn Death Zone. It takes two to tango. Cars should obey the rules and cyclists should show some sense of caution and self preservation.

    That being said, the last few years I have seen a significant reduction in the number of times I’ve been hit at the Rosslyn intersections. It has not, however, completely eliminated them. I was hit almost 2 years ago by someone running the red light near the Marriott and last winter I had to take a dramatic swing to avoid someone running the red light going toward Key Bridge. My rather substantial hip put a similarly substantial dent in the sliding door of a minivan as a result. The frequency is less though, for which I’m happy.

    #929803
    americancyclo
    Participant

    I just tried to read some of the comments on that article, and now my head hurts.

    #929804
    jrenaut
    Participant

    @americancyclo 7740 wrote:

    I just tried to read some of the comments on that article, and now my head hurts.

    Remember, it is a scientifically proven fact that a person’s IQ is reduced by 25-40% while they are in the process of leaving a comment on a blog post. Those people aren’t REALLY that dumb. Mostly.

    #929805
    Tim Kelley
    Participant

    @americancyclo 7740 wrote:

    I just tried to read some of the comments on that article, and now my head hurts.

    I read too many articles that end with comment sections like this. Just make sure you don’t get sucked in! It never goes anywhere or gets any better.

    #929806
    OneEighth
    Participant

    Before we get too off topic, what can be done to get rid of stop signs and stop lines at intersections that have a walk/ride signal? Think about it. You don’t see stop signs and traffic lights together at intersections on the road. It doesn’t make any sense.
    WABA?

    #929807
    RideTheWomble
    Participant

    Exactly. The intersection is regulated by conflicting signage and signals. It’s dangerous enough, without all the ambiguity.

    Mark Blacknell is having an on-site visit there this month. If I remember correctly, he has invited County officials. Anyone else know the details?

    #929808
    RideTheWomble
    Participant

    Sorry. Did I say signage? Perhaps I dignified a faded word, painted on the sidewalk as an afterthought, too much with that verbiage.

    #929809
    Tim Kelley
    Participant

    @RideTheWomble 7744 wrote:

    Mark Blacknell is having an on-site visit there this month. If I remember correctly, he has invited County officials. Anyone else know the details?

    Please see this thread: http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?1112-Crossing-Lynn-Street-and-Lee-Highway-How-Can-We-Make-It-Safer-for-Cyclists-and-Peds

    Everyone is invited!!

    #929810
    gregbilling
    Participant

    I’ll be at the September 12th Arlington BAC meeting representing WABA. Hope to see (and meet) many of you there!

    Have a great and safe weekend!
    Greg

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